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On August 03 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:01 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical? His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling. Can you link his Jenny-lilwade analysis?
On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:.: Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and SeeyalaterThis post from Seeyalater caugt my attention: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far!
Are you his partner Jenny? :o Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution. And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be. + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction. + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again. Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:56 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o I really really like that you're giving reads, but I dislike the bolded. I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. Do you know which post made him get this read?: + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny? This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment? Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town. Kinda scummy. If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer. If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance? Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding. It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it. Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it. What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone? Do you get how odd this is? Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny! + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.
Still heavily sick with the flu though.
Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o Lol wait. How can you not be calling him mafia or anything if you're saying he is your top scum read? My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia. So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town. Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me. But that's just my guess. I could be wrong. More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this. This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two.
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On August 03 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:01 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:54 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. MeatProfessor What of GlowingBreads' posts do you find overly logical? His Jenny-lilwade post D1 was the first clue that made me suspicious. It as interesting but I think as town I would have not been so certain. He;s also made some post detailing his plan d2, but so far has only been tunnelling. Can you link his Jenny-lilwade analysis?
OOps I completely wrote the wrone name.
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On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing"
So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely?
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On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case.
I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning.
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On August 03 2014 07:16 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:09 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:05 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 06:19 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand. Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me. I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there? I'm still having a hard time giving a read on lilwade. I would say, there is likely mafia between you and GB. If nothing changes I would hammer you second. Teemu, Banks, LT, they all seem like town to me. I agree MeatPounder We need to hear more from lilwayne. What makes you think seeyalater could be mafia as well? Can you make a case?
This is just a random collection of thoughts on cya. I would have voted him but right now I think we are getting somewhere. Let's see.
Cya's first list post did not contain anything for 666. This could be a clue but I'm not going to read into it.
His response to GB's post reflects what I was thinking at the time. He also pushes on teemu d1 so I was considering him very town at this point.
He wants to policy lynch lurkers d1, but gives LT a free town pass.
Saying he is too indecisive when it comes to voting on numbers guy.
After the hammer he is saying how obvious it was to town that numbers was scum. I think to me it wasn't obvious, just lucky, if there was such a solid argument for the lynch you should have voted with it but you didn't.
I like that he is posting lots but I don't see his argument going anywhere. He is more than happy to tunnel and take an easy lynch d2. I think he is giving town reads a little to quickly and if he were really scum hunting he could have posted more of a case by now (instead of lynch all lurkers lol).
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On August 03 2014 07:49 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I was gonna say, my coworker saw me being visually frustrated trying to figure out what he was trying to say. LOL So does that mean you view me and teemu as less scummy than the people who voted for Clock?
If that was a question for me, then no. I don't think anyone is more scummy for voting. I could see the case where mafia voted on me, but it is also possible that they voted on numbers guy too. But what is the reason they voted there? To try to bus when they may not have needed to?
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On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:10 meatpudding wrote:
Do you think, if there is only a second mafia, that much can be said about a vote analysis? I think one vote isn't really a bus. Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks.
In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw?
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On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
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Which voting analysis is this MeatProtractor? And why would one vote not be a bus? There is most likely only 2 mafia so one voting on another would 100% define the word "busing" So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy.
GB are you bothered about dying today? If there is a d3 who would look more scummy for pressuring you?
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On August 03 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote:Teh Bang Teh Marry and Teh Kills Marry - I've decided not to remarry no one is really oozing town like Jenny was (and who could replace her anyways?) so I think I'm fine alone. Bang - Lord Tolkien, Lilwayne, TeemuKill - GlowingBarn, MeatPansy, SeeYa, + Show Spoiler +anyone who claims medic and didn't save Jenny
Tehpoofter you seem depressed. Be brave there are plenty more seals in the ocean.
What's you reason for Teemu green? And is lilwade more green than Teemu? Are you saying seeya is your number 3 red? I am thinking second to GB now.
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On August 03 2014 08:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:23 meatpudding wrote:
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So let's say one of my town reads is mafia. Then the case is that numbers was bussed and seeya and teemu are town that think I'm mafia. Do you think that could be possible or even likely? MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy. MeatPython lurked hard all day 1 you made a really bad case on Jenny/seeya and gave like 100 excuses for what your RL was doing. Like I will read it over again but honestly you're not even the one leading the votes and you're freaking out about it. I may switch to MeatPig later in the day but as of now I'm okay seeing what things brings.
That's my favourite one yet.
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On August 03 2014 08:49 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 08:43 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 08:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On August 03 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:58 meatpudding wrote:On August 03 2014 07:55 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 03 2014 07:38 meatpudding wrote:
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I guess that is kind of what I was trying to say. That it could be considered that mafia voted anywhere so no vote analysis can really have meaning. So vote analysis tells us things even if its only one because some busing can be a decent play but other busing is just unnatural and not smart most of the time. Like LordOfTheRings vote to push it off you and onto RNG is pretty damn townie. He doesn't need to do that as mafia too look town and if hes mafia it hurts him more than helps. So that kind of analysis is good. People like you MeatPong who didn't even consider it look worse because he was mafia. As well as those who didn't end up on the wagon. Saying its worthless is just wrong. Redirect your logic train it may not be on the tracks. In Tolkien's case I can agree with that, but what other conclusions can you draw? Those not on the wagon are likely partners. Myself/Jenny/Lilwayne likely town for being on the wagon early and not getting off it when we all could have. Teemu/seeya staying on you is bad because as amfai they would be hoping that you get lynched (assuming MeatPasta is town here) over their partner. GlowingBoard Moving off MeatPine at the end when the vote was pretty much decided, the 4 on the wagon were locked in on him and he got to 4 first. So this extra vote might have been a chance to steal some town cred knowing what RNG would flip. ^^Those are all reasonable conclusions from the vote counts. Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth. The facts are what matter so if you did it. I might not have noticed but that doesn't mean it didnt happen. You might be telling the truth you might not i don't know. I'm going to toss out my full Bang Marry Kill here in a moment. Your list doesn't matter. You're still killing a townie and making it easier to mafia to win the game. Just re read my filter day one and meatpudding's filter day2 and see who you find more scum. See who was pushing people to them it and who was doing almost nothing to win the game. The posts are there and you're betting on the wrong guy. MeatPython lurked hard all day 1 you made a really bad case on Jenny/seeya and gave like 100 excuses for what your RL was doing. Like I will read it over again but honestly you're not even the one leading the votes and you're freaking out about it. I may switch to MeatPig later in the day but as of now I'm okay seeing what things brings. That's my favourite one yet. Do I get a MeatPoint? for a good name?
You can have a MeatPat on the Back too.
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Tolkien, what I thought about Banks initially was that he was ok. He was posting in his typical style and giving a waterfall of town posts. So far so good. He pushed a bit on Teemu d1 before switching to me and 666. His rationale on 666 didn't seem particularly strong to me even after he explicitly spelled it out. Now, I didn't follow his reasoning behind the switch but I was willing to take a good chance that he was paying more attention to the game than me so I gave him credit for it. However, we know that numbers guy wasn't particularly active. I am making room for the idea that there is a world where banks was staring down at an empty qt and decided the best strategy was to eliminate his own partner and is now running around free with 6 vt in pocket.
Banks is clearly the most espoused, I think he is on almost everyone's marry list. I haven't seem him as less than a bang.
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And on lilwade, I'm not sure. I don't have a case. I was letting him go under the rader while the focus was on others earlier. Now I don't have a good town read on him either. So I don't know what to think about it.
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On August 03 2014 10:50 lilwade wrote:
Current MBK
Marry- surprisingly Teemu made my marry list this time around. I think he has been more solid, although he needs to wake up again from yesterday
Bang, Poof, still very town to me I like the way he has been playing to this current post.
Bang, Tolkien, posts from being back were definitely solid and I like where he is going.
Glowing bear- I dont know whether you belong on bang or kill. Maybe if you can give me a thought process of where you are at this time I can get a better read on you.
Seeya - You were also leaning kill list for me but I doubt the wagon would switch to you on short notice, I will most definitely read you up and down through the next phase
Meat - Right now I feel like you are getting out of your old self and looking better, sadly I still have you on the bottom of this list. You are more likely than not tied with GB and Seeya so if you want me to get off teh nuts then give me a raisin why.
This is a very typical marriage list to what we have seen so far, with me, cya, gb all hovering around the kill zone. I'm more interested in why you have doubts on seeya. And it's hard to say anything about your reads when the last 3 are tied, you should be more determined if you actually want to rat scum out!
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On August 03 2014 13:13 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 12:54 Lord Tolkien wrote:On August 03 2014 12:47 Seeyalater wrote:On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia. Where does this gut feeling originate from? do tell From the gut...? It just has felt like me and teemo have been on opposites of the same book. You know how most like, cellphone manuals and stuff, start from one side in 1 language, and a different one on the other side, and the in the middle it stops? I feel like that's how me and Teemu are right now.
All these manuals and I still can't read you. Is there a reason to think that GB isn't mafia? I think you are trying to get too far ahead that you lose focus. If you were scummy I could see you trying to coast it out.
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On August 03 2014 12:47 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia.
It just seems weird that you say you don't know where you're going.
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On August 03 2014 15:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Lololololololol this bachelor party is amaing I can't get drinker than this
Listen, rummy, I'm gonna say it plain and simple Where'd you pinch the hooch? Is some blind tiger jerking suds on the side?
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gg wp both sides. maybe see you in the next newbie game 
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EPT
