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On July 24 2014 22:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:51 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 22:49 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Damdred,
1 question:
To me from that post you made it feels like you were keeping up with the thread but not posting. Is this feeling true? That feeling is false, the last time I visited the thread was when I told teem that I would look into his filter when I got to a computer. I spent the good chunk of my morning was spent catching up on the thread. Ok sexy. Please tell me more about this Vivax/Xatalos interaction please. I am very interested. The interaction is generally strange he had Xat down as mafia earlier and Xat had viv down as mafia earlier (but he changed his mind quickly when prodded and based his read on other games where viv activity was lower when he was mafia), and i'm not sure if Viv is actively sheeping a case made against me or was just trying to get me to delurk so he voted me. I'd like him to answer that, because the case against me is much weaker then I would normally expect him to follow for being a vet.
First of all, I don't feel like I have sheeped any cases. I looked at your filter when prodded, and saw all the stuff I ended up writing about, I don't remember it being like I was simply repeating what Xata said, I simply said what I found scummy about your filter on my own.
Main concern being that you lacked followup on Xata's case, you looked like you tried to scumhunt, but somehow ended up playing very little, and there was some stuff at the end of the filter you promised and I didn't see you deliver.
So I was thinking to myself: "This dude tries to look like he's trying but he didn't really try much". Simple as that.
Wanting to get the wagon started, I expected you to pop up at some point and start pouring in a lot more effort if you were scum. Let's say I'd have considered you more suspicious if your post volume per timeframe exceeded the one before I made that case, cause it would have meant you rather focused on pleasing the guy voting for you, obviously I would consider at the same time whether your efforts were pointed in a genuine townie direction, you get the point I suppose.
Additionally I wanna add that there's nothing strange about people changing reads on each other, until you manage to argue why the reasons are strange. The way you try to put it in that post it's not evident at all what was strange about our stance changes on each other, so if you feel your point was important feel free to explain it now.
On July 24 2014 23:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:43 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:40 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:34 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:33 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you.
And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw? Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state? Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going... Why would it make sense for Koshi to hop on GB? He was busy getting Xata to roleclaim, explain please. ___ Ok let's get some common sense back in the thread and not this monkey panic fest Koshi and Teemu started. Kush, you aren't caught up if I had to guess, but I want you to look at my Damdred case and give me your opinion on it, and give an opinion on his comeback. Plus, evaluate if we should switch to Obi like chopin proposed atfer looking at Damdred. GB main lynch target today was Xata, he built several good posts around him, Xata responded to some of them a bit oddly which looks like made him stick to him. Suddenly out of no where GB comes up with vote Koshi for trying to get Xata to claim, it isn't to far fetched that Koshi could of changed his list and put GB on it for that post it was worth a question at least.
I don't really understand why you try to justify what Koshi did with this post. It's like an explanation for why what GB did precisely isn't scummy. You either think he was bussing Xata, or he wasn't. If he wasn't bussing him, then he had no real agenda as scum to pop into the thread and scumread Koshi out of the blue for the way he was trying to squeeze Xata.
If he was bussing him, then I don't think you had that feeling.
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Btw it kinda feels like people have been bewitched when Chopin said Xata can't be scum for his weird claiming style. Did nobody really try to fight that?
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On July 25 2014 04:05 Palmar wrote:
please, please don't waste a check on me tonight btw. Like just don't do it, I'll rather shut up and allow myself to be lynched than know some idiot cop wasted a perfectly good night checked me.
I promise not to check you if you post the new results of your filter script.
Deal? 
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Your right it wasn't sheeping you had me down as one of you scum suspects for awhile before that. To be honest when i saw xatas and your votes i figured in the next few pages my wagon would be rolling or id og gotten lynched while i was gone.
To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed.
That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit.
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On July 25 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:
Your right it wasn't sheeping you had me down as one of you scum suspects for awhile before that. To be honest when i saw xatas and your votes i figured in the next few pages my wagon would be rolling or id og gotten lynched while i was gone.
To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed.
That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit.
You don't expect everyone to instantly change his vote whenever he changes his read, do you? Maybe it's a habit you got on another forum but I for myself think not throwing your vote around isn't really something to care much about as long as it's not on the end of the day, when it really matters. This is obviously different when you play in an instant majority setup.
Another thing I wanna add is that you didn't really fight back when chopin tried to move the lynch away from Xata. And from the little you claim to have played, you still came back to the thread swinging that he was scum for ignoring you and the such. He replied to your case at that point however and you kinda didn't seem to care much about what was happening and happily sheeped chopin on navi after he skipped over your reasoning with his bewitching argument.
Would also like to hear what you think of Teemu and Koshi, I feel like the past pages have had a lot of content regarding the two and it would be beneficial to see some committment from you on the issue.
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On July 25 2014 02:03 Chopin Liszt wrote:
haru/cav/rayn appearing when they did totally scummy btw
fuck you.
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On July 25 2014 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I thought the key issue was Koshi's stance on Damdred.
He criticizes Vivax for scumreading Damdred for having a shitty day 1, as he did in Storm. The issue is that Damdred goes in active again and Koshi threatens to lynch him for being shitty on day 1 while criticizing Vivax for doing the same.
Though now that I say it out loud, I'm not entirely certain. Rayn did the same thing to me earlier so idk.
tell me more about this.
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On July 25 2014 02:03 Chopin Liszt wrote:
haru/cav/rayn appearing when they did totally scummy btw
Like you literally believe me or not.
Which is it? One answer makes me 100% mafia, another one does not.
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Well I just woke up 
Anyway gg and good luck town.
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Honestly i should of stayed on xata it probably wouldn't of mattered with all of the late votes because i think xata is either plaing bad town or mafia his refusing to claim until the last minute when it woyld be to late his overall disinterest in trying to save himself...his reasoning trying to get scum to use a kp on him? What was that why would scum use a kp on him when if he's town he's good lynch bait... and anyone can claim vt. I should of pushed xata more after he responded to my initaial post but not the latter really
i should of stayed on him...
However deadline getting pushed made me lose my head a bit.
Koshi is obviously tunneling you at this point and to be frank i don't dee you as scum at this point from how your playing now and how you've played as scum before.
I could honestly see teem being scum honestly. Sometimes he gets defensive over questions refuses to give simple answers and when he does give answers they sometimes miss the point.
His bits about town doing badly was odd at the moment as its been mentioned before town was doing what he wanted.
He shouldn't be so sure of koshis alignment. at some points .
had to switch to phone so ill be sloqer at this point
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Why should you have stayed on Xatalos?
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Koshi is obviously tunneling you at this point and to be frank i don't dee you as scum at this point from how your playing now and how you've played as scum before.
also who are you talking to here?
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Just read the thread rayn. Marv is probably scum. It will be fun.
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Where's Artemis image of "reading marv"?
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On July 25 2014 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why should you have stayed on Xatalos?
I just said some of the reasons
and talking to vi
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On July 25 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 02:03 Chopin Liszt wrote:
haru/cav/rayn appearing when they did totally scummy btw Like you literally believe me or not. Which is it? One answer makes me 100% mafia, another one does not.
What kind of silly question is this? If you want me to throw a coin to answer just tell me.
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no you said he was probably scum or bad town and blabla.
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On July 25 2014 05:31 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 02:03 Chopin Liszt wrote:
haru/cav/rayn appearing when they did totally scummy btw Like you literally believe me or not. Which is it? One answer makes me 100% mafia, another one does not. What kind of silly question is this? If you want me to throw a coin to answer just tell me.
are you marv?
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