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On February 26 2014 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks for restating what I already said. So you are saying there was no point in your question because Mocsta would give the same answer 100% regardless of his alignment? | ||
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No it's for correctly describing gumshoe's meta and then making a really bad read that contradicts the meta he described. | ||
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ugh.. reasoning for voting for gumshoe contradicts the meta Wave brought up on gumshoe. In other words, gumshoe plays directly to his town meta that Wave (correctly) described and now he is voting for him. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:36 geript wrote: @Rayn. Your townread on JJD... You got some essplainin to do. This post and especially the green part reads really townie to me: On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote: lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote: Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective. Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me. Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff? | ||
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My case on Wave is that he made a terrible case on gumshoe based on some scenario gumshoe "should have thought about as town" when in fact if he didn't think about it he possibly couldn't have thought about it in the first place. That's making something out of nothing, especially considering how gumshoe posts as town - yes, he makes all sorts of mistakes like this. For reference: In Extractor trick mafia gumshoe has even said "rayn claimed cop as town but not because of what he is saying but because of something else". Yes, that's our gumshoe. <3 | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly. Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? | ||
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