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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:43 GMT
#2541
On February 25 2014 05:29 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much?


Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever.

Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw.

Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:43 GMT
#2542
Okay that wording was confusing, hope you get what i am trying to say.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:46 GMT
#2544
Like here:
rayn: "suki is mafia because of xyz"
marv: "yeah, suki might be mafia"
marv: "hmm i gotta go read the balla/suki exchange at the start of the game (which i maybe did not pay much/enough attention) earlier"
marv: "when i think someone is scummy i question them a lot about their posts" - (this is what i already knew)

didn't look like town!marv to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:48 GMT
#2547
On February 25 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
but rayn, it is literally 100% impossible for me to post that much as mafia. Don't ever make that mistake again, I'll be annoyed.

This one was your mulligan.

Well tbh about half of your posts in the first 14 pages of your filter are crap.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:53 GMT
#2550
On February 25 2014 05:49 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:29 Balla24 wrote:
On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much?


Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever.

Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw.

Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this?


Totally understood, now understand my PoV:

What you see about marv to me, is very very little and is pretty circumstantial. It might be on purpose it might not be, I can't tell. So when you go ham about it and disregard everything you said about toad before because you think marv is mafia and marv is trying to get toad lynched. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe it's because we have a different approach to the game or something but I wouldn't do that at all.

Toad looks scummy, marv has something that could be scummy as well, I would point it out and question marv about it then try to decide which of marv or toad looks scummier instead of flipping my reads like that off of something so small.

Does this make sense?

Yes i am not arguing you are not making sense from any point of view.
I am arguing that i can't argue about this because there is nothing to argue about. I am also arguing that i find it weird that you question me about things i have already explained, and that is your case.

You can't make a case based on "this doesn't make sense to me" if i have explained my reasoning behind those things. You should make a case "this is what he did, this is why, and this is why it does not make sense from town pov".

That's why the case is bad and that's why there is nothing to argue about.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 20:56 GMT
#2551
It's the easiest thing as mafia to say someone did something that looks like a contradiction or stupid and just say "this is why he is scum". The hard thing is to twist something someone did as town to look like it's mafia motivated because it can't be so.

So again, whatever have i done, why as mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:07 GMT
#2555
I am really worried about the fact that marv dies tonight and one of Oats/Slam is town and people will never lynch prplhz.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:09 GMT
#2556
Yes Balla, i know, and that's what i lack. I hate things i find stupid and that's my fault.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:10 GMT
#2557
On February 25 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am really worried about the fact that marv dies tonight and one of Oats/Slam is town and people will never lynch prplhz.

EBWOP: I don't think it's a fact one of Oats/Slam is town, to clarify.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:12 GMT
#2559
The nightkill was really weird. I don't know what does it mean because the only people who pushed Balla at the start of the day were me and marv, we are both town and i don't remember any other reason why Smurf was hit than Balla = mafia or Balla = framed as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:15 GMT
#2560
Oh fuck he actually called Balla town and was interested in prplhz/Slam/kush.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:17 GMT
#2562
But he was a suspect. For a lot of people, like basically to everyone. That hit is really weird.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:17 GMT
#2563
I totally expected to see Palmar dead.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:21 GMT
#2567
If i was scum i'd take my chances and kill marv.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:22 GMT
#2568
On February 25 2014 06:21 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
On February 25 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But he was a suspect. For a lot of people, like basically to everyone. That hit is really weird.

He was town to me t.t

Yep, the fact is even if he was suspicious to some people. He was not high on ANYBODIES list except palmar lol... so it's a decent kill out of that pool that i'm talking about.

Yeah but Palmar tunnels and smurf's posting style makes Palmar tunnel him. Did noone notice this on D1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:32 GMT
#2573
On February 25 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
he's an extremely strong townie and he had just pushed a godfather lynch with me.

this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:46 GMT
#2579
Interesting question; Let's find confirmed townies.
Does anyone know where i breadcrumbed cop on N1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:47 GMT
#2580
On February 25 2014 06:40 Balla24 wrote:
Sure.

I don't see any experienced player reasonably deciding to hit the smurf over you or palmar.

So why was there a case and a vote on me by you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:57 GMT
#2583
That's not really an answer. You either think it's important or not. At the start of D1 you didn't think it's important now you do. Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 24 2014 21:57 GMT
#2584
EBWOP: D2
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