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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2014 20:29 GMT
#2241
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY?
Yes, i did those things. Because someone does not udestand why it does not make me mafia for fucks sake. Read the fucking case, it's crap because it is "you did X and i think you would not do that as town".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2014 20:30 GMT
#2243
I have explained everything you hae nrought up. Read the fucking thread scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2014 20:34 GMT
#2245
He is being right for very wrong reasons and he makes cases that are not about why someone is mafia, and when he's been questioned about them instead of answering he makes new cases.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2014 20:35 GMT
#2246
We should probably lynch kush for claiming mafia. But i don't really care so.. just something to think about.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 17:14 GMT
#2509
##unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam


Oats is probably scum if Balla is town.
He's making a case based on same stuff i was town for earlier.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 17:25 GMT
#2512
Well the reason i am scum for isn't the ones in your case then now is it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#2514
not really, it does not make sense if he is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 19:41 GMT
#2518
So i guess nothing is happening this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 19:50 GMT
#2520
Did anyone even read Balla's case and how bad it is? Or Oats' case?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 19:57 GMT
#2522
Well i don't really need to. Apparently Oats thinks Slam is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#2524
Oats is far better lynch than Balla. Maybe Balla is just dumb and does not know how to write cases. Yes i am being honest here, i don't know how i am supposed to answer his case because he says i did some stuff and it makes me mafia but not how. Yes i did some stuff, so what?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 19:59 GMT
#2525
But Oats makes a case based on stuff he has called me town for earlier on D2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:11 GMT
#2529
On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote:
On rayn:

Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning.

I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum.

He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points:

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On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously, look at this:
Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here:

I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly.

I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day.

1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia?
2) not scummy in the slightest
3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK?


I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here:

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On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) wrong. He saw something scummy based one meta and called you out of it. You said you could play like this as scum. That makes Toad's argument not scummy. Maybe wrong, but you can't possibly say it's scummy to call something scummy scummy. That's just retarded.

2) It's not scummy, it's pressure. I don't need to tell you what Toad has done after that, that was not a part of your case. Don't change your argument in the middle of one. That's bullshit.

3) So what? That's not what you say in the last paragraph. You don't say it's scummy and you don't explain why it's scummy. You say you need to hear more from him. That's what you say, not "scummy", but "need to hear more".


If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced.

2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1)

3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else.

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On February 22 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Balla you are making a new case as we speak. Why don't you answer my concerns in your original case intead of making a new one? And if you think these new points you bring up are so good why were they not in your original case?


That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls.

##vote raynpelikoneet

Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is.


I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like

Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc
Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang
Suki(1):rayn

Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc".

I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for):

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On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 22 2014 05:05 Balla24 wrote:
Rayn pls, 3rd time, what do you think of kush?

town.


Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini:

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On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence.


On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 21 2014 03:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Do you have more on Kush rayn? If you have something more, I'd like to hear it. I find him difficult to read.

And I believe Barristan is the last person that needs to post. I'd suggest people start to vote now so we can see where we are at. I think there is enough content that people should be able to make some reasonable reads.

What i have on kush is what i have said.
He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not.

On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm.

On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I find it hilarious how both your points already counter one another. In the first you say you pointed out a mistake in Kush's reasoning so you can't both be scum, in the second you say a scum should lay into you.

I am not saying anything like that.
I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place.

You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum.



When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory.

Last thing:

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On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way).


This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth.


1) I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. :
Well then you don't believe it, wtf am i supposed to say? Yes i did believe suki is mafia, yes i did believe you are mafia. I explained why i thought so.

2) I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for) completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point.
I explained my townread on kush. It was because i didn't think he would say he would quit mafia if Toad is town in case Toad was actually town which i also did believe. You don't buy it? Well shit, then there is nothing i can say.

3) He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch.
Yes you are, i explained how. Only after i did so you started doing things like you do as town - not defending me for no reason, posting more, etc. And no i wouldn't. I would not because when marv is pushing a lynch there is nothing you can do about it. Also i did not give a shit.

So, i have actually explained everything you ask me to explain. If you don't think my explanations are good enough that's another thing and there is nothing i can do about it. So how about you cut the fucking bullshit and stop the "you need to explain this and that"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:16 GMT
#2530
And only after suki kill you start going "look how wrong rayn was on suki".- Well fucking everyone thought she was mafia, other than you. I think that's a bullshit reason to call me mafia (being wrong) and you are using something that is not scummy to attack me. In fact you are fucking scummy because of it as i don't see how you could possibly think suki is town.

You brought up shit like "i can see the reasoning behind her reads, you are bad because you can't". Well the reasons were not what you thought, and they were bad. So you had no intention to figure out her actual reasoning, you just said right things. Things you can't possibly know they are right if you are town.

So you are either mafia or playing really bad because you assume things you should not assume in the first place. You are not trying to figure out things, you just assume something and say stuff based on that. And it makes sense from mafia pov if you switch the word "assume" with "know".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:19 GMT
#2531
You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:33 GMT
#2535
On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game.

Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more.

After that you started posting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:36 GMT
#2536
kush you have a permission to shoot me on N2.
Then you can lynch Oats.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:36 GMT
#2537
I know you want to shoot me anyways so...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:38 GMT
#2538
Maybe you are telling the truth Balla and just missed all those posts. Who knows.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 24 2014 20:39 GMT
#2540
I can understand your point on suki and that's not alignment indicative for either of us because we were talking about a different thing.
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