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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 19:19 GMT
#868
And the thing about 'fishing for reactions' is they SHOULD be done the way gumshoe did it honestly. Write up a case on someoe you suspect, even if it's bad, so long as there are things you believe in it, and see how your target and other people react to it, and how people critique things. Maybe your case will be made better, maybe worse. A completely fake case accomplishes absolutely nothing imo and I see it done so many times---I don't think I've ever seen one catch scum.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 19:52 GMT
#870
On November 07 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.

I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.

ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.

Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.

Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.

Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.

WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).

Thats like everybody relevant I think.

I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.

So you didn't read anything I wrote about rayn?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:04 GMT
#875
On November 07 2013 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh we're posting our reads way before the deadline? me next!

WoS is town and I don't feel the need to explain why.

hzflank is town and deserves a medal for displaying great courage and valor while under fire.

Vanesco is a townie dude, he really seems to care about his arguments and making people answer his questions.

Ceph... seems town. I can't sense any dishonesty coming from that guy. However, out of all my reads this is the one I'm the most apprehensive about.

Sn0 imo is pretty obviously town but I can understand why people think he's not. I don't think he'd appear as comfortable posting as he does if this were his first real scum game.

ET.. I would have called him town without hesitation at the end of D1 for being one of the few who were around at deadline and actually discussed things instead of dropping off their vote at the last minute. However I'm kinda pissed that he's gone silent since the lynch. He is mostly town in my mind but he needs to return in full force asap

rayn.. jesus idk... I think I change my mind about him more often than I do about any other player. WoS you will hate this, but ironically you are the one who makes me go from ":scum" to "who knows" on rayn for now, because of that comment you made about how I should already know that town rayn is kinda crazy. I'm gonna take a pass on this one and not even give you guys a read because it'd probably be a bs read and very likely to change very soon.

umasi, I must have a mental block on this guy because I can never remember anything he posts. I have him as town in my notes but I can't remember the feeling I got that made me write that, so I'm gonna call him null


OO is scum dandelion from BEMMII. I am going to park my vote on this guy for D2 until he decides to actually explain his reads instead of writing "fake" cases.

Syl scum? Maybe. Actually, probably. Mainly by process of elimination, but also because of the inordinate amount of sad faces he posts. I shoulda lynched him instead of gumshoe after changing my mind about hzflank.

Soooooo I only have 2 people picked for scum, which means that my reads are probably horribly fucked up.

OH FUCK I skipped Onegu, he must be 3rd scum. Case closed. (Actually I AM leaning scum on him right now for reasons I gave a few posts ago)

No thrawn, I didn't say town Rayn is kinda crazy, I said he tunnel potential is massive so it is NOT alignment indicative. Where did you get that I said he does it only as town?
Besides, Rayn has made conscious effort to change his meta recently so I am going based on his play this game (with an aside for VERY recent games), which I see as scummy.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:09 GMT
#877
Also scum Dandel doesn't do anything. Literally.
OO is nothing like that.
And you still have Onegu as scum despite me arguing with you about him.
AND you're giving a Sn0 read based on him not having played a 'real' scumgame yet but the newbie in which he was scum should still count for SOMETHING. And even then Sn0 is not a newbie despite not being experienced scum so it is bewildering to me that you'd give him a townread simply based on that alone and ignoring his actual posting, which has contained mostly nothing. Playing scum isn't all that difficult and a player of Sn0's calibre would not have a difficult time playing it.
These reads man....we don't agree on nearly enough here.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:10 GMT
#878
On November 07 2013 05:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did u read hogwarts WoS?

I tried. Too complicated with all the QTs and roles flying around from an outside perspective. What are you getting at?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:17 GMT
#882
On November 07 2013 05:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
I know what you're saying. But one of the main reasons I was initially suspicious of rayn was because of what I perceived to be a crazy and insane fixation on ET. Once you reminded me that he can do that as town, which he has done to me, I could no longer think he's scum because of that tunnel. There have been times where I was sure of him being scum and times where I was sure of the opposite, which is why for now I am refusing to give my read on rayn until I come to a decision I'm more confident about.

I didn't mention Rayn's attack on ET at all when I was pushing him last night and you said you agreed with me.
It was actually regarding his attitude around the time of lynch that you agreed with me I believe.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:19 GMT
#883
On November 07 2013 05:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also scum Dandel doesn't do anything. Literally.
OO is nothing like that.


Then go read a few pages starting from here. Everything he does leads up to a bigass case which ended up being "fake." Throughout the ordeal he was being purposefully antagonistic. Whenever someone tries to argue with OO in this game he responds by puffing up his chest and acting like he's above it all. How is that not exactly like scum dandel? he may have more "content" but I can't give him credit for that because it all ended up being for nothing anyways.

yeah I sort of see that. Still not my primary though, and if OO is scum he throws the game for his team and stuff so we may as well keep him alive anyway lol.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 20:21 GMT
#884
Actually hold on a sec thrawn.
I just realized something really bad.
Why would you be comparing scum dandel meta to scum OO meta? Are they the same person for some reason?
Like...that just seems so ridiculous to me. If you're going to consider OO scummy for his actions leave the random-ass meta comparison out of it. You're so lucky I think you're town 'cause that gets a big ugh from me
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 06 2013 22:31 GMT
#901
I know exactly why he was the NK.
Pussy scumteam. :D

Be back later for more analysis. Will look into OO's filter as well.
GG good sir.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 02:05 GMT
#903
So umm.....
Should I bother?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 02:14 GMT
#907
On November 07 2013 11:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh fuck WoS you are probably gonna be pretty pissed

?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 02:21 GMT
#909
On November 07 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 11:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh fuck WoS you are probably gonna be pretty pissed

?


I'm gonna have to bail on that rayn-train lol

Yeah forgive me if I don't have a lot of confidence in you atm---your train was originally going to be OO.
I'll look at your case and I still want to look at OO.

Oh and I guess quick thoughts expanding on the NK.
It may be obvious but I'll state it anyway: scum were likely afraid of protection. Even so the fact that they chose OO of all people as their option either means we're in good shape in that scum are having trouble picking off people who look extremely towny but unlikely to get protected, or bad shape in that scum are AMONG those we think are towny. In any case I agree that OO going down was very good for us because he was sure to be the object of at least SOME scrutiny today and my townread from early D1 was waning rapidly.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 03:29 GMT
#911
Onegu.
Less talk about yourself, more talk about others. Plenty happened in the time you were gone, comment on something.
DO something.

##Vote: rayn
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 04:21 GMT
#920
On November 07 2013 13:18 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Onegu are you mafia?

I see you spend time making hzflank out to be scum, you decide that rayn is scum for letting the scum hzflank slip through? Why not just vote for hzflank then? Oh right, because WoS is already pushing a rayn lynch. Did I get that right?



I think they are both scum.... I just pointed that out.... I am ok with either lynch.

You think it's likely that Rayn went all-out on you to save his scumbuddy hzflank from the noose.

That's fucking terrible.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 04:22 GMT
#922
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 04:27 GMT
#924
On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually.


yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch.

It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched.
Are there jesters in this game lol?

The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing.
I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 04:59 GMT
#930
On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually.


yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch.

It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched.
Are there jesters in this game lol?

The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing.
I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly.


Do you remember that quote rayn provided?

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day:
On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why?

And we did not lynch him for it. :p

Anyways good night.


Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit.
And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 05:06 GMT
#936
On November 07 2013 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually.


yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch.

It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched.
Are there jesters in this game lol?

The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing.
I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly.


Do you remember that quote rayn provided?

On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day:
On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why?

And we did not lynch him for it. :p

Anyways good night.


Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit.
And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest.


yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia

so the two choices are:

1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead
2) he's scum and playing terribly


Lol you forgot town and playing terribly. I know it's certainly possible for him just to have had the thought process to switch vote Rayn like that AND assume it was a good idea because I was already on there or something.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 05:07 GMT
#937
On November 07 2013 14:05 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also sorry thrawn having severe idgaf issues right now.
I'll get to the stuff I promised eventually.


yeah I know. but forget about ET and rayn for now because this vote onegu just made is crazy. I looked through his filter and he never talks to or about rayn as if he thinks he's mafia. Onegu never implies that he thinks rayn is scum until just now, and the only reasoning was because maybe scum rayn was trying to save scum hzflank? This is after Onegu start throwing out quotes to show that hzflank is scum... why wouldn't he just vote for hz? The answer... as much as you hate to admit it, imo is because rayn is town and onegu thinks that's an easier mislynch.

It's like Onegu just wants to be lynched.
Are there jesters in this game lol?

The issue becomes the 'too scummy to be scum' thing.
I can't honestly tell where to sit on this. My gut tells me a scum Onegu just wouldn't play this badly.


Do you remember that quote rayn provided?

On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day:
On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why?

And we did not lynch him for it. :p

Anyways good night.


Yup, and I was waiting for you to point that out because it doesn't mean shit here---Onegu didn't fuck up, backtrack, try to cover anything up. He's just playing balls-to-the-wall shit.
And Onegu himself brings up a good point. Rayn DOES call him tricky. This doesn't look tricky in the slightest.


yeah, I think what he's doing is backtracking, but if you believe him then he's not backtracking. he claimed to have been developing suspicions about rayn earlier, he just didn't point them out. we have to accept that on faith because there is nothing in his filter to prove to us on way or the other if he ever thought rayn was mafia

so the two choices are:

1) believe that he did think rayn was scum before now, except he didn't say anything about it and chose to talk about other stuff instead
2) he's scum and playing terribly




Wait where did I say I thought rayn was scum earlier? The first time was when I saw his BS reason for makeing me look bad, hell I voted dor him to be blue before this.

lol thrawn do you see this?
Do you REALLY think this is scum play?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2013 07:41 GMT
#952
Alright.
The rest of youse.
You have what amounts to an entire day to actually do something before I show up after my long long ass day tomorrow night. This is the lurkiest fucking D2 I have ever seen so far, and it is not acceptable for 4 people (3.5 maybe) to be attempting to do all the game playing for 3x the people.

If you are town, shape up. If you are scum, continue as you are. I don't want to lurker lynch today but so help me I will resort to it to prove a point if I must. And I'm fairly sure I WILL be around for lynch this time around.
+ Show Spoiler +

Thrawn, I'm sorry I keep putting this off---played a bunch of LoL and hit promotions tonight Remind me at some point when I get back and I will look into OO and whatever else I said I was going to do. I will not let us down.
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