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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 21:59 GMT
#702
This is the fucking worst D1 ever...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:00 GMT
#705
...or the best! good Cephiro!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:04 GMT
#714
...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:05 GMT
#717
Apparently this is what happens when i do not drive the discussion on D1 from the beginning. rofl what a shitty D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:20 GMT
#723
On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.

There is nothing wrong with you hammering and i don't know why you feel the need to be so defencive about it..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 22:51 GMT
#725
So hzflank says that about Sylencia ~20 hours ago. You do not say anything about it, you vote for hzflank, and when we lynch someone else suddenly NOW it's important when you have paid no attention to either that comment of hz's or Sylencia earlier in this game?

Why now?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:03 GMT
#727
I think Cephiro and Sylencia talked about it no? At least that's what i read in thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:06 GMT
#728
I get what you are trying to say thrawn but the problem is the last 20 hours of D1 were so inactive it's nearly impossible to say anything about it. Cephiro and Sylencia hada discussion about it. Then they didn't post much after that. What o got was Sylencia wasn't sure about his scumread on Cephiro after the talk, read other people and made a case on ET. Cephiro never got back here before the last moments of D1 and Sylencia was not here. That's what i think.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#731
On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.

I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify):
(1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo.
(2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:11 GMT
#732
null. i said it in the first place. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:11 GMT
#733
okay i agree i wasn't very clear about the final conclusion..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:12 GMT
#734
and why the fuck did everyone suddenly flee from the crime scene?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:29 GMT
#739
On November 06 2013 08:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet.

I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify):
(1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo.
(2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia.


1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up.

2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions.

Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this.

(1) No, i expect you to follow up and do research on every post you think is important, which you clearly do, as you stated so. My issue is that the post has been in thread for 20 hours and if you feel like Sylencia has not explained himself why didn't you bring it up earlier? If that in fact is important don't you think that could have been information that could lead us into lynching scum?

(2)
You were tunnelling him for the majority of the time, and gave Van a scum read through association from your points about WoS. You've given points about other players, I agree, I just thought at the time you were way too focused on WoS, since that filter dive post looks like you were being overly nitpicky over everything he's done. It's not a bad thing to nitpick, there's just a point though where I think you were reaching for points which didn't necessarily imply anything but you put it in a context where it tries to make him look scummy (The first point I found was where you said he was pointing out his own mistakes, which isn't really that implicating)

I never said that you should ramble about how unsure you are about a player, but if you'regoing to vote for someone, why not just state why in the first place rather than make people question you? At least it becomes clear from the start where you are coming from. I can see that you answered when asked and you gave your reasoning fairly soon after, I just think it would've had the same effect with less questions about motive if you did it from the start.

From what i read here is "i might be wrong in what i said", no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:34 GMT
#741
Also to elaborate more on (2). You are right, if Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really mean anything because Syl is then accusing a townie and backpedalling from it. However if Syl is town, regardless of Ceph's alignment, he realized he was accusing Ceph for wrong reasons after the clarification Cephiro provided. I think both of the scenarios are equally likely, therefore i said i think it's a null tell.

If you disagree feel free to point out why and we have a discussion.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:37 GMT
#743
On November 06 2013 08:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.

Is sn0 meeting your expectations?

Not yet but he is quite useless on D1 anyways and hasn't done anything scummy. I won't go batshit on him becauses given our history in games we played together it's not gonna do anything good. To clarify, me questioning him achieves absolutely nothing regardless of his alignment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:38 GMT
#744
On November 06 2013 08:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
this is so tedious lol

Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing?

What are your conclusions from this conversation?

I think we are both right and both "wrong".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2013 23:40 GMT
#746
iunno, are you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2013 01:24 GMT
#750
Really WoS, really? You are "not sure" what i am talking about?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2013 01:27 GMT
#751
What bothers me most about this lynch is that pretty much noone really commented on any cases there were at all. People who had cases on them gave some half-arsed defenses that said nothing at all and were really not defenses. I am not pleased at all about people's comments on my ET case nor am i pleased at all on people's comments on mu gumshoe case earlier.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2013 01:35 GMT
#754
No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence.
I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM.
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