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ET i don't think those posts you quoted from thrawn make him scummy. There is noone in this game who has contributed to the game in every post of theirs and his vote on me was perfectly reasonable given our interactions in Desert. If you accuse thrawn of being scum because of that i must say you come off as at least as scummy as him ebcause (1) he actually explained his vote and (2) you could have seen that the vote was totally legit at that time for what i said if you looked at his reasoning.
The last quote is actually the only thing that i agree is scummy and in addition to that there are more of those in thrawn's filter.
But, why are you picking some random quotes from thrawn's filter and make it look like he has not contributed much?
Can you do a compilation of thrawn's & gumshoe's contributions to the game and show me thrawn has contributed more than gumshoe has, because afaik that's what you are accusing thrawn of?
Vanesco why are you accusing thrawn of his vote on me because you did the exact same thing with yours? And what bandwagon am i jumping on? Basically again, you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of, "jumping on a bandwagon on thrawn" perhaps?
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On November 05 2013 16:13 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:46 EchelonTee wrote:On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:
Aight. That was an interesting read.
As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.
Also, vote me for blue.
I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game.
This is not alignment indicative for Cephiro. If you did even read the thread in hogwarts D1 you would know it.
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Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe?
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On November 05 2013 16:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe? Because I don't think gumshoe is scum. You have done exactly nothing to demonstrate that he is. Why would I vote him?
Aside from couple of weak townread for no reasoning this is what his filter says:
Right now I feel like lynching into Unegu/ obvius one. They seem to be the most likely culprits based off their shoddy posting and reactions to my wall of text.
This is based on his fake case on you.
And that's it. There are so many words and his whole filter says less than this post of mine.
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Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe?
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Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative.
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gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.
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WaveofShadow why do you refuse to talk about gumshoe? Also ET same question?
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On November 05 2013 17:37 EchelonTee wrote:
I don't think he is scummier than the people I am talking about.
A while ago i commented on your case and asked you to do something. Any reason why you are refusing to answer me?
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##Vote: EchelonTee
There are a couple of huge problems in ET's posts and actions this game.
This is his reasoning for thrawn's rayn vote originally:
Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me.
There is a very clear reasoning in thrawn's post yet ET "fails to see it". It is a pressure vote and anyone who pays even a little attention should know it, at least when thrawn unvotes me immediately when i start contributing. He also brings up this quote from Desert:
A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast.
There are two problems with the bolded part.
(1) The post in question is from day 3. There are over 100 pages of content in that game at that point. Thrawn is scum because he fails to make analysis like in Desert 7 irl-days into the game compared to this game's 24 hours? Does that sound a legit reason? I can tell you it is a ridiculous reason.
(2) In the end of the bolded part EchelonTee clearly implies he in fact knew why thrawn voted for me, something he brought up in the very same post of his. So the earlier reason for thrawn being scum for voting me "with no real reasoning" is a lie and the wording he uses earlier is designed to make thrawn look worse than it is. It is scum motivated act, i use it a lot when i am scum - specific wording that makes the target look much worse than they actually are and what is said can be interpreted in many ways so i already have an out in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to do that as town.
When he is being questioned more about his reasoning behind thrawn's vote on me he says this:
I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now.
I can tell you this is a straight out lie. I know he has been in thrawn's filter in Desert game, but i can also tell you he has done absolutely nothing in that filter, "skimmed" is a very strong word. Because of the following:
- If you enter thrawn's filter from Desert mini mafia, this is the first post in his filter. I will make it so big everyone understands:
On September 03 2013 11:15 thrawn2112 wrote:I forgot my password for the smurf account, tried to password reset, then forgot the email account associated with it.  Oh well
If you go into someone's filter and miss what the first post there says there is no way you have done anything at all in that filter. If you are unable to pay that little attention i do not believe you have done anything there.
thrawn smurfed in that game and forgot his pasword on somewhere during N2 or D3. If EchelonTee had read the first post in thrawn's filter, he would know he actually needs to read this filter instead:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Tutankoopa
Now if you actually skim through this filter you will notice that that probably 40% of thrawn's posts are about me. There is a huge massive interaction with me and thrawn during the game. I don't even know what ET means with saying "If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so.." because noone is talking thrawn being town here, ET is acting like someone needs to prove thrawn is town, otherwise he is scum which is not how this game works. It is ET's job to prove someone is scum, which he is flipping upside down here.
This is what EchelonTee says about my case on gumshoe:
On November 05 2013 17:48 EchelonTee wrote:Posts like these show effort and contribution to me, even if I don't really agree with the content. The second post in particular is one that I don't see a scum gumshoe doing. Thrawn has not contributed as much as these posts of gumshoe's.
This is exactly why i am arguing for gumshoe being scum in my case. The first post ET quotes is a fake case on WoS, therefore it is not a contribution as i have pointed out. Therefore it does not matter if it's effort because in any case regardless of gumshoe's affiliation it is faked effort as i have already pointed out. The second post also does not contribute anything. I already quoted what that post in fact says and nobody has proven me wrong. ET does not prove me wrong, he just says those posts contribute, while i am asking him especially how they do contribute. This is not an answer to my question, this is misrepresenting my argument.
TLRD;
(1) EchelonTee's reasoning for thrawn being scum changes half-way through D1 for some parts of his argument. When townies do this they add new content to their case. EchelonTee, instead of doing this, changes his reasoning for old content to fit his case better. There is no town motivation for doing so.
(2) EchelonTee does "skim through player's filter from another game" without actually even skimming through it. There is no town motivation to go into other player's filter from another game and then do nothing there.
[u](3) EchelonTee when being called out for his case says "prove to me he is town". This is not how the game works and everyone should know this. This is a justification to sit on his vote when he can't actually prove (as it seems) thrawn is scum because nobody can possibly prove thrawn is town at this stage of the game.
(4) EchelonTee is not paying attention and making up stuff on the fly. This has been proven by many things. His filter skim, his change of reasoning, his answer to my gumshoe case, him asking people's opinions on his case on thrawn and when people give them he misses it.
None of those things i can see a townie doing in any situation.
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lol i didn't even vote for "ET" but EchelonTee"..
Epic fail host :p
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oh god you people are dumb. there is nothing wrong with my case and ET answered about none of ot..
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On November 06 2013 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh god you people are dumb. there is nothing wrong with my case and ET answered about none of ot.. what do you think about hzflank and sylencia ET has put more effort into solving this lynch than most
I don't think Sylencia is scum, hz could be anything.
What exactly has ET done this game other than bad case on you and been sloppy?
He just got mad onme @ Hogwarts when i called him out of saying he knew scum had a fuckton of roles on D1. Dunno if i was right or not but he was scum so i don't find his reaction to bbe a town tell for sure. He didn't even answer anything about the case. If you believe he actually tried to do even some meta analysis on you lol..
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Is therea case on hz because i can't find it. And if we need to "consolidate" 20 hours before the lynch and the defences to cases after that will be "you are not going to get me lynched because look, there are no votes on me" this game will be really shit.
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i am going to vote for hzflank most likely but this is bullshit, at least if he flips town.
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so why are we lynching hzflank over gumshoe?
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On November 06 2013 06:55 gumshoe wrote:
You all do realize I could have sat back and watched the no lynch go through / : besides I always ninja vote, get killed for it, and have never once flipped scum. Meh
while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about.
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So can we get a lynch on gumshoe or do we lynch hz? or no-lynch those are our options.
quick people, what a fuck do we do?
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