• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:49
CEST 09:49
KST 16:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) The Korean Terminology Thread [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1186 users

Witchcraft Mini Mafia II - Page 3

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:43 GMT
#279
Fuck what a wasted 2500 post.^

##Vote gumshoe
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:54 GMT
#296
On November 05 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to vote for OO if he does not answer me about his question regarding Vayne and Les. I think i was being pretty clear in what i said and why does it matter.

On November 05 2013 01:03 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 20:59 Sylencia wrote:
My guess is that OO misread Vanesco as Vayne(sco)

No. It was his interactions with Vayne in that game that clued me in, that's all. No mystery here.

Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#297
Rayn that's a pretty shit thing to get hung up about considering it has zero bearing on this game at all, only has anything at all to do with my ability to read WoS as scum.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:57 GMT
#299
On November 05 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?

Yes
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#301
On November 05 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?

Yes

Wait, what? Do I think he's scum this game? What the fuck are you even asking Rayn. I was talking about my familiarity with WoS scum play in the only game he's been scum in and it looks like you're saying you think I have a scum read on him this game? What's going on here? Can we please drop this nonsense that has nothing to do with Witchcraft?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#302
Okay, cleared up. Let's move on from that tangent :D
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:03 GMT
#304
On November 05 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?

I think your argument is rather shit.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:13 GMT
#307
Sn0 when you know that I've played like 4-5 games with Rayn and he's still somehow shit at reading me does it translate better to frustration? Or are you for serious with calling me over reacting even with that knowledge?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#309
On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.

Describe to me exactly the difference between "mad" and "frustrated" and "afraid" and how they sound different if you're going to go down this path.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#310
This is seriously a retarded angle I can't believe I'm entertaining you with this.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#312
On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.

I'm asking you to justify your stance and you're deflecting having to do that by... doing whatever this is? Hi scum.

##Unvote gumshoe
##Vote Sn0_Man
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#313
Dunked.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:33 GMT
#315
I still don't see a demonstration.

Vote remains.

Still dunked.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 20:35 GMT
#316
The onus is on you to present a rational case for why I am scum and the best you have is "smell" so get dunked sir.

Vote Sn0 guys. Confirmed scum.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 21:00 GMT
#318
On November 04 2013 15:06 Vanesco wrote:
So it seems that from all this negative feedback on me not voting that after thinking somebody is very scummy a vote is typical action. From my POV it seemed better not to vote because I don't like lurkers to just get a free ride by latching on, but after seeing the responses I have to agree with most of them and it was a bad play by me. Therefore:
##Vote: Umasi

On November 04 2013 15:50 Vanesco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 15:37 Onegu wrote:
On November 04 2013 15:06 Vanesco wrote:
So it seems that from all this negative feedback on me not voting that after thinking somebody is very scummy a vote is typical action. From my POV it seemed better not to vote because I don't like lurkers to just get a free ride by latching on, but after seeing the responses I have to agree with most of them and it was a bad play by me. Therefore:
##Vote: Umasi



I think I would have liked you better if you didnt vote and stuck to you guns, this seems like "oh crap I better vote him because people are calling me out".

Well I agree with the reasoning which is why I decided to vote. Also since many people commented on it, it seems like a fairly normal thing to do on TL mafia and since I plan on playing many more games, it would be foolish not to adapt. Overall, regardless whether I was voting for him or not, I still stand by Umasi being one of my scum reads.

This is sticking out to me a little bit, but it's a sort of sublime reason. He's brutally honest that he's conforming to expectations.

Heads off any argument about how he's conforming by stating it blatantly. That's a pretty good play if he's scum, but as he's apparently not familiar with the site meta of the regular players I feel semi-forgiving regarding it and think it's in the realm of possibility for coming from a town POV.
On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 19:28 Sylencia wrote:
Options 1/2 about strategy are fairly weak, as I mentioned above, there are biggest fish to fry than foiling strategies most of the time when playing scum (honestly, if scum timezones dont match up good luck with getting anywhere on that, but that's outside the scope of our investigations anyways), and I would've thought that discussing strategy would be a good thing since we can actually get an agreement on some things we should(n't) do, since we've already seen (from you nonetheless) that there are problems in the reveal at night X+1 strategy. Had we not discussed this, someone could've followed the train of thought that we've discussed and just gone through with it without thinking about the fact that scum can possibly realise they've been voted for again the following day.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

Combined with this, I think any Vanesco should move their votes immediately. Of which there is only one, Umasi. Hrm. Time to take a deeper peek.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 21:04 GMT
#319
Umasi is now a person of interest. Meta-mechanics discussion/finger pointing is the core of his contribution.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 23:59 GMT
#337
Fuck that, he said I smell. Hang'em.

Heat wave is coming
Sno man gonna melt
Dunked
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 00:19 GMT
#344
On November 05 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Fuck that, he said I smell. Hang'em.

Heat wave is coming
Sno man gonna melt
Dunked

You talkin' about me?

I really don't want to bother with more useless pressure on me---it's pretty obvious I'm not getting lynched today Cephiro, but I figure I at least should try and ask, though I'm not expecting much.
What gives?

Random question---thrawn, who is scum? A lot of poking/prodding from you but no conclusions.

Subtle hint or accidental allusion? You decide.

Just kidding.

Sno man gonna melt. You know, the guy I'm voting for. The one who tried to pressure me, and when it fell flat he fell off the face of the thread. The one who couldn't justify his read in any way whatsoever to me, or accuse me of something that could be refuted.

I'm having too much fun.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 01:21 GMT
#364
On November 05 2013 10:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah

There's a good chance that I'm going to buddy you all game. That shouldn't be a big deal cuz we are both obv town right?

confirmed town circle now accepting applications


/in
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 05 2013 01:26 GMT
#368
On November 05 2013 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list

nevertheless, accepted

We must use this power wisely.

Can we agree that gumshoe is a person of interest? Huh. I wonder if he has enough recent history to get a meta baseline.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech78
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 3615
Pusan 558
Killer 423
Tasteless 232
Mong 194
sSak 135
PianO 110
Nal_rA 108
Leta 73
ToSsGirL 69
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 45
Sharp 26
Bale 20
Noble 19
Backho 16
yabsab 8
HiyA 6
Hm[arnc] 6
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K632
shoxiejesuss301
Other Games
summit1g6821
ceh9391
C9.Mang0335
Mew2King62
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick879
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 51
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 20
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV280
League of Legends
• Stunt541
• HappyZerGling100
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
4h 11m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
8h 11m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
16h 11m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 2h
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 5h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.