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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 13 2013 22:43 GMT
#1900
Hope the one of you guys (Sno/Hopeless) who is town has some questions to Syl -- in case one of you is town.
If Sylencia is town he is throwing the game atm...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 13 2013 23:19 GMT
#1907
On November 14 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn this game is fucked

Earlier today I was briefly entertaining the notion that rayn+umasi=scum, but that doesn't make any sense considering how wtf rayn's claim would have been. The only reason I have to think rayn is scum is because I thought umasi was, but since I don't think they are both scum I'm going with both town. I reread the case I was going to post about umasi and tbh it's pretty fucking awful. since hope+sn0 both went at each other the right move is voting for sylencia. That's ONLY if I think that a sn0/hope team wouldn't buss each other.... which leads me to ask....

rayn .... can I have your thoughts on a sn0+hopeless? It's pretty fucking weird how both of them decided to focus on the other, neither of them have said very much about sylencia. What is sn0man's motivation for only focusing on hopeless and what is hopeless's motivation for only focusing on sn0man? Why wouldn't either of them, as town, be trying to show us why both sylencia+other guy are mafia? They could have realized that their chances of mislynching sylencia are slim based on all the heat the two of them received during N3, so no matter who they push the remaining guy is gonna need some town cred for D5. If I were scum I'd be bussing the fuck out of my scumbuddy and playing for a later, but safer endgame.

why would sylencia play D4 like this as town?
why would sylencia play D4 like this as mafia?

too much wtf in this game

I have absolutely no idea and each one of their play throughout the game makes my head hurt so i decided to say fuck you all and keep it simple. The scummiest guy dies and atm it's Sylencia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 13 2013 23:21 GMT
#1908
If I were scum I'd be bussing the fuck out of my scumbuddy and playing for a later, but safer endgame.

I would not do this for the reasons i stated earlier.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 13 2013 23:28 GMT
#1910
On November 14 2013 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Let me ask this potentially scummy questions. What if sylencia does not come back and will be modkilled? Should we arrange to have him as the majority vote-holder until he returns?

If Sylencia does not come back before the deadline we lynch someone else and expect him to get modkilled.
If he is scum and does last second vote and we lose the game because of it i will never ever play in a game with him any more because that's so fucking cheap.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 13 2013 23:34 GMT
#1912
It's not the time to think about it yet. I'm keeping my vote on Syl because i think he is the scummiest of you three. There is ~22 hours left and he is the one who should speak now.

Are you able to be here tomorrow before the deadline?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 00:25 GMT
#1916
I know. We can't do anything about it now and discussing it doesn't really help us finding mafia at this point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 01:04 GMT
#1918
I'll do that first thing in the morning.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 09:43 GMT
#1922
I'm soon here again.
Sylencia why should we no-lynch, what do we gain?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 10:24 GMT
#1925
Do you still consider thrawn scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 10:49 GMT
#1927
thrawn, this is what i find interesting in Vanesco's filter.

First:
On November 04 2013 16:05 Vanesco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 14:53 EchelonTee wrote:

What are you talking about? Your reasoning for not voting is that other people could sheep onto you without giving input.

The problem with that reasoning is as follows:
1.) You state that you have a "really big scum read on Umasi".
2.) If you have a big scum read on someone, it follows that you should want them lynched.
3.) If you vote them and people sheep on to you, those people are helping exact the lynch that you want.

If you have a big scum read someone, why do you have a problem with people agreeing with your read? Is your read on Umasi actually not "really big"? This doesn't make sense.



These are the points I agree with mostly. Since currently Umasi is my biggest scum read he would be my first lynch and then I would look more closely anybody who I think sheep'd in. I do not really agree on your point WoS that the first person I pressure in the game has to have my vote. I did not get a scum read from him, therefore I did not vote.

I think this is a fucking scumslip and i hate myself for not paying attention and not lynching Vanesco on D1. If you are lynching your scumread you assume they are going to flip scum. Why would you then "closely look into people who sheeped you" on Umasi lynch..? rofl.

I don't think his reads on D1 mean anything because what scum say about other people do not tell anything about their alignment. But here are his reads on syl/ET/sno at some point on D1:
Syl:
As mentioned before, don't like strategy talk, which since his filter is so short, he seems to bring up alot which rubs me personally the wrong way but his reads have seemed ok to me so far (eg. reads on cephiro's play). Overall null.

sno_man:
Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game.

Echelon:
He was one of my top 2 town reads before and he still is. He is asking good appropriate questions and is making good sense to me. Everything in my last post about him still stands.


Does not comment on my ET after that, which is weird he is not defending his "townread". Vote on thrawn, says nothing.
Then he says this:
On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote:
Ok, back (for an hour or so).
Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home.

That's a weird defense on ET with some defending on gumshoe too.. Again attacking thrawn but not really pushing the lynch.

Then he analyses the D1 votes for the rest of the game. Reaching into conclusion that Sno and Umasi are scum. And there is nothing more, he excuses Hopeless from the analysis because he was replaced (lol is that even a reason to do so). On D3 he uses WoS' reads before his flip as a reasoning for strengthen his scumreads on Sno and Umasi.

Meh.. i don't really know what conclusions to draw from that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 10:55 GMT
#1928
Sylencia it's like 99% sure the last scum are between you, Hopeless and Sno.
I would like you to make cases on your top 2 scumreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:11 GMT
#1932
Hmm.. That's quite an interesting point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:30 GMT
#1934
On November 14 2013 21:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
I dont know if it is since I bullied hopeless into his sylencia vote

Yeah i know but no townies should get bullied into any vote however confirmed town the bully is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:43 GMT
#1938
At first Sno and Hopeless wanted each other dead lol.
Then Sno said he doesn't care which one of Syl/Hopeless dies...
Then this.

The best thing is if all of those three make a fucking cases on each other and then we look at who is faking shit and who is not and if some case is good we lynch the target. Fucking "i don't care because both are scum" doesn't work in this situation because all of them can say so easily.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:44 GMT
#1940
Like you know, normal scumhunting rofl.
Now this game turned into "who is accusing who" which will not resutl into anything good because they all just need to call each other scum. I WANNA KNOW WHY WHY WHY!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:44 GMT
#1941
##unvote
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:45 GMT
#1942
^^^^ that unvote might or might not to have nothing to do with who I think is mafia... I think I'd just rather not show that card till much later
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 12:48 GMT
#1945
Yes i was being funny and saying the same thing with stupid wording bcz i agree with you. :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 13:04 GMT
#1949
I voted for everyone in turns based on who posted and who didn't so i don't think my votes mattered much regarding scum thinking what i am thinking atm. :p

Yes i wish we were masoned too. .:/
Maybe we are, who knows?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 14 2013 13:41 GMT
#1957
In case you are not going to say "i think thrawn is scum" Sylencia that's kinda pointless..
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