So here's what i think.

Thrawn is probably town. I won't even consider him scum as if he is there is no way to win this game with this activity.
Koshi and Hopeless are also town for what i said in D2 - N2.

From the rest of the people:
One of Umasi/Vanesco is scum. They have been on each others throats all game (although Vanesco tried some weird pushing on Sno based on votes and shit). Umasi looks way better than Vanesco so i would say Van is scum from those two.
One of Cephiro/Sylencia is scum. I highly doubt they could both be scum but i am pretty sure one of them is based purely on process of elimination. Cephiro's witchcraft win announcement on N2 was a really bold move if he was scum, therefore i do think he is town from the pair. Otherwise they look equally bad.
That leaves Snodude as the final scum. I have tried to process different scenarios with different people but anything else does not really make sense to me unless scum have been bussing hard from D1, and i do not think that's the case.

Therefore:
##Vote: Sn0_Man

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 08:46 GMT

#1445

I can lynch Vanesco and i will vote for him if we are not lynching Sno. What makes you think Sno is town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 08:49 GMT

#1447

And yeah, maybe i didn't make it clear enough, but there is very little chance Umasi is scum and Vanesco is not. It is just that i don't have such a strong townread on Umasi than i do with you three (who i mentioned first in my post).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 08:51 GMT

#1449

Okay i'm gonna make some coffee then go to read Vanesco's filter and his other games.
I basically had a town read on him because he attacked me early on in the game, i don't really see scum doing that with reasoning he gave. Given what i usually do (or what i've done in my games) that would be a suicide to do what he did. :p

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 08:52 GMT

#1450

On November 11 2013 17:50 thrawn2112 wrote:

Show nested quote +

it all comes down to his carefree posting. to be fair this is something I mentioned at the start of the game so it'd be easy for scum sno to pick up on that and roll with it the rest of the game

I better look into Sno's scumgames aswell.. I agree with the carefree thing, but i do not agree that makes someone town. Different people post differently and that's not an universal scum/town tell imo.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 08:56 GMT

#1453

Well his contirbutions are nowhere near his contributions in Hogwarts. He did play really well in Hogwarts and i can't really tell about other games because i do honestly believe he has played "worse" in them because of his anger towards me in those games has taken like 80% of his time.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 09:09 GMT

#1455

Going through Vanesco right now.
Vanesco, how much mafia have you played? Live or forum mafia?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 09:23 GMT

#1457

The interesting part in that post is the fact that from what i remember OO was hardly going after EchelonTee with me. From any point those points about Sno make very little sense to me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 09:24 GMT

#1458

EBWOP: i mean OO was probably going to push ET hard on D2. Wording might give the opposite feeling about what i meant. :p

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 09:27 GMT

#1459

So Vanesco's play on D1 looks really good to me.. meh..
After that it doesn't look so good any more. Like, i can understand his thought process and it even makes sense but his overall play has been much much worse in terms of quality of content.

Vanesco make a case on your top scumread and give reads on all other people when you next come back. Also explain why do i feel like you were trying very hard to find scum on D1 and why have you basically given up on that after N1?

Until then:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Vanesco

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

November 11 2013 09:49 GMT

#1460

This is what bothers me on Sno.

1) I need to see who votes for what wagon when people flip. Thats integral to how I find scum.

Need 3 more votes to lynch. I do not believe that a no-lynch benefits town and as such PLEASE VOTE PEOPLE.

He never follows up what he says on D1. There is no voting analysis which he claims to be his way of playing. Nothing.
Then he comes up with this on N1:

On November 07 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole.

I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm.

ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him.

Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too.

Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think.

Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO.

WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc).

Thats like everybody relevant I think.

I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat.

I do not think these reads are very strong. Everything is just "this guy could be scum" or "i could lynch this guy". For fucking what?

Here is another contradiction:

On November 07 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
This feels like rayn from the end of that game to me. Or close enough that I'm giving him a pass for now. I always give rayn a hard look at mid-game, which is still the plan, but at the start like this I disagree that he looks scummy.

He does never do this. I am amongst the most active people in this game. Even if there is nothing else to go on with, this could be done because i have actually provided content. Snodude never takes this "hard look" on me. A way to say "i can't read this guy yet -> i'll do that later on" to have an excuse for not trying to read someone and never following it up.

This was really weird:

On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Errybody's afk or something.

It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).

I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.

Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum).

On November 08 2013 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well scum have 2, also the silver bullet resolves at the end of the "Phase" which means if fired at night it resolves with the daypost (as we saw).

Discussing who voted for OO is pretty safe IMO, since scum know if he was blue or if he died to their NK anyway. Admittedly if they NK'd him they don't know if he was blue. Okay maybe we talk about it after this lynch?

I ahve no idea what anything in this post is supposed to achieve other than bluehunting.....

Then he makes a big case on WoS, followed by not voting for him?!?!?!?

And then there is nothing.

I really do think Sno is better lynch than Vanesco, but here's what we gonna do:
Snodude and Vanesco, both of you need to make a case on your top scumread and give reads on all other people. The one who fails to do so gets lynched. If you both fail to do so we lynch you both on D3 and D4. If you both succeed in writing what's asked we re-evaluate the lynch.

Right now you both look terribad.

thrawn whaddya think?