EPTI do want to point out something else, that might be completely irrelevant when stormtemplar reveals, but look at the nature of heavenz/playerboy's large post and cases they made. Both of them went on a point by point analysis on the voting to try to prove a point.
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I do want to point out something else, that might be completely irrelevant when stormtemplar reveals, but look at the nature of heavenz/playerboy's large post and cases they made. Both of them went on a point by point analysis on the voting to try to prove a point. | ||
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On October 01 2013 07:39 Zaragon wrote: The NK was decent, but you being roleblocked and us having a NK at all makes no sense... Unless me and Koshi's attempt to out-meta mafia's NK went terribly wrong and out-metaed someone else too Could you explain what you were trying to do? I definitely missed something yesterday here, cause I thought it was really bad that you and Koshi were talking about how mafia has to kill stormtemplar. | ||
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Hmm... I'm not too sure I'll have to look at his filter more. From the top of my head I think it does TBH. Remember day1 he missed the end of the day even when he was under heavy suspicion. I'll come back to this question again. Even though I think the mistake fits his play, I just can't really imagine a person making multiple mistakes like this. Again, I need to re-read his filter, so yes I would put him in a stormtemplar/heavenz combo. However unlikely, could be just pulling us around. I'm much more inclined to believe a heavenz/playerboy scum combo. | ||
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On October 01 2013 13:09 Zaragon wrote: Good night I guess we'll see how this turns out when heavenz and playerboy make their cases. Balla feel free to toss in your opinion as well, maybe scrounge for a detail on playerboy or heavenz. So far it looks like you will be rather unfortunately (if you are town) tied to Stormtemplar's blunder. Sorry what's a DT?... what is he saying? I'm about to head of to bed as well | ||
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On October 01 2013 20:47 heavenz wrote: yeah I know, that was badly played, but I don't see how that makes me scum. I read him as town, but I was dissapointed by his progession, he only cared about himself, that annoyed me, that's why I just wanted to push him, but I should have realized that I got opposition from the scum, so I should have stopped before the end,.. I was just hoping he would really be scum. Mistakes were made. Btw, you keep looking at mistakes, that's not how you should play it. Look at the motivation behind the actions. 1) I wasn't the town leader 2) I wasn't convincing 3) It was really dumb, and I didn't care if you would have lynched me afterwards, coz the game with the ton of afk'ers felt like a waste of time so basicly it was really bad and risky. If I was mafia, I would feel beforehand if more players thought that he would be a good lynch, not 180 and go for it no matter what, and that on an unimportant target. I didn't cover myself in glory that day, but I made up for it. Either way if you consider Stormtemplar mafia you can't think that I am mafia too. Also this is my 2nd game, I claimed I was roleblocked because I was roleblocked (even stormtemplar attest it), I claim vt, coz I am, I never claimed anything else. I want to ask you a question. Consider my claim to be true for a second. Now make up reasonable mafia teams. You're right. You and Stormtemplar cannot be mafia (very very very very low chance, if they are then they deserve the win LOL). The thing is, that makes me believe that Stormtemplar is town more than you are town. I would like to bring up Heavenz's votes again: Day1: Mluneth... ok everybody fucked this one up, can't really say much about it because everyone looks like scum in this case. Day2: Onlywonderboy... He voted him in a completly 180 degree flip (he is acting pro-town), didn't listen to any defense, didn't give any reasoning besides quoting Bereft. How is this not the most anti-town behavior in the thread? I'm sorry heavenz, if you are town you really dug your own grave. | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:24 heavenz wrote: You need to understand the this is not a rating of who is the most suspicious, we just have to kill the mafia. Read the last game, umasi was mafia, he wasn't suspicious at all. . Dude what does this even mean??????????? This entire game is about lynching the suspicious people. What else is there to go on besides suspicion? Why would you lynch someone if they aren't suspicious? The whole goal of town is to get the scum to become suspicious so that they can find out and then kill them before they kill town. This is such a shit show. It seems to me like everybody is just bussing everybody because fuck everybody else. Please, zaragon, jonnylaw ASK MORE QUESTIONS. We're not going to get anywhere with you guys re-iterating the facts that we all know. You need to get people to share their thoughts on different subjects so that the suspects can possibly slip in their reasoning. This is one thing that Heavenz (yes, i'm going to say it again) has yet to provide. ANY reasoning for ANYTHING. Force it out! Of all of us, not just Heavenz. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:50 Zaragon wrote: It's LYLO after 2 days and scum's job is to not appear suspicious throughout the game. It's not as easy as who looks most suspicious. I do have another question to ask. Balla, why have you read stormtemplar town all game and showed minimal suspicion about him? After the whole roleblock conversation yesterday, can you really buy that he simply forgot to use his? He was active in the roleblocking discussion, obviously. Other than that, I need to see playerboy's take on what he missed of the game and his reads now. No, it's not that easy. But the whole process of this game is to make it so scum players become suspicious enough that you can lynch them. If a player isn't ever suspicious you will never catch them. Just because their actions aren't suspicious by themselves doesn't mean that together with something else they aren't suspicious either. At the end of the day, it will be who looks most suspicious, regardless of whether or not they are most suspicious now, otherwise why would you vote for them. Anyways, I don't even know why we're talking about this. It's silly. This is the kind of random rants we can't really afford right now. I shouldn't have brought it up. To me, the case on stormtemplar was very very weak on day 1 and day 2 the attention was somewhere else. There wasn't much substance behind it and I couldn't find anything particularly scummy. Today however things are totally different. I can't believe him. Just can't. Koshi calculated the chance of a setup like this being 2.5% or something like that. That's so low. I can't really believe him straight up based on that possibility, but on the other hand the situation where he is ACTUALLY town roleblocker and he ACTUALLY forgot to roleblock just makes more sense to me with the way the game has flowed and the way he has played in general. The timing all makes sense. Everything else makes sense. The situation where he is scum roleblocker seems so contrived and unreasonable. It doesn't make sense. Why would stormtemplar roleblock Jonnylaw in this case and then why would he claim he forgot to roleblock? I don't know. I'm a in a weird situation here where BOTH cases are incredibly incredibly low probability, in one case it's due to the way the game is setup and in the other case it's just because of how it all fits together. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:58 JonnyLaw wrote: I think they're more of a gamble. If we get one we win. I just think playerboy is scummy. It's late for me I'llo give full reads tomorrow before voting time. I hope you're around then if not, pick your vote and give a reason and I'll evaluate it. I work early in the morning tomorrow. Cmon man give it a better effort than that... poke more!! Don't gamble. You get one you win, you miss and you lose. | ||
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Can I ask you a question you asked me previously though? If he is town RB and did forget the roleblock, do you think it fits with his play the rest of the game? You've probably already thought about it, but putting thoughts out there sometimes catches things you don't normally. Just interested to see | ||
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I'm glad you're trying to see all the sides Zaragon. I'm going to head off to bed in a few minutes here. I'll check again before going though to make sure there's no more questions. | ||
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And since we are starting the votes, not so obvious for me but I'm going with my gut: ##Vote: heavenz | ||
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You've flip flopped on so many subjects, had possible scum slips, given up at inopportune moments (LYLO), it fits with the proposed role setups. Your voting pattern matches that of a possible scum. Everything makes more sense when you are mafia. You even seem more scum then everyone else in this situation when everybody is defending themselves because you keep saying things that you shouldn't do as a townie when you are about to get lynched (when i bring up onlywonderboy and tell you that you dug your own grave you just give up and STILL don't explain it and give me a bullshit 1 liner). | ||
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