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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1833
OK I guess Oberyn can hide it if it's a trustworthy explanation. I'm just eager to find a scum so easily.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 14:58 GMT
#1839
On August 11 2013 23:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:25 Xatalos wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.

Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later.

If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum?


Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP.

Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm.

But... why does you knowing the identity of X serve anybody anything. All it seems to do is sate your curiosity. Yes, I also want to know what is going on in this game, but if X is a loyalist, I don't see how revealing his identity to anybody serves anything. If his resources are limited, like onegu's, then claiming in public is fine. If he has ongoing access to his resources, I feel he should protect his identity and communicate by raven (potentially multiple ravens if he must let his lord know).


Although there's also the chance that I'd disagree with Oberyn's assessment. Or that Oberyn dies N2. Etc. But if X is clearly trustworthy, it shouldn't matter, it's just that I'm not so sure of that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 15:11 GMT
#1841
On August 12 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is with you guys? Why did you discuss the watcher situation?


What?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 15:15 GMT
#1845
Someone in the ScumQT would tell him anyway. It's not like he works alone.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 18:59 GMT
#1987
Okay, so Yamato is scum (unless he's playing 100% against his win condition atm).

This means that Sharrant is almost confirmed town. I think it's also pretty safe to start looking at Yamato's filter and suspicious interactions with / posts about Yamato.

I'm dying to unravel the mystery of my roleblock, but if Oberyn is convinced that the information should be kept hidden, so be it.

Acro, why am I apparently your scum suspect? Referring to your PM about Lannisters. I'd really like to know what's your basis.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 19:16 GMT
#1999
On August 12 2013 04:01 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:59 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, so Yamato is scum (unless he's playing 100% against his win condition atm).

This means that Sharrant is almost confirmed town. I think it's also pretty safe to start looking at Yamato's filter and suspicious interactions with / posts about Yamato.

I'm dying to unravel the mystery of my roleblock, but if Oberyn is convinced that the information should be kept hidden, so be it.

Acro, why am I apparently your scum suspect? Referring to your PM about Lannisters. I'd really like to know what's your basis.

no yamatos filter is useless and is wifom you can get reads possibly from how players interacted with him but not how he interacted with others.


Hmm. I don't entirely agree, but his filter is too chaotic to read to get anything very conclusive out of it.

I'm left suspicious with Acro's first list post though. It was basically jrkirby & FT & Yamato (with little reasoning and none for Yamato). Scum often include one scum in their list posts to look like they're "not completely wrong". Considering that the list was weak anyways, I get the feeling he just put two easy mislynch lurkers there and one weak scum (or even 2 scum if jrkirby is scum, but that's less likely). That's the classic and easiest possible tactic for scum to look like they're contributing a bit. I've done and seen it done countless times. Thoughts?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 19:19 GMT
#2001
On August 12 2013 04:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:46 Koshi wrote:
I am back. I had soccer and couldn't post till now. I tried to make posts on my phone but it kept saying "Bad Request". I don't know how to fix it. I tried closing my browser, shutting down phone, reconnecting to the internet. Nothing.

Only Gumshoe dieing is strange. I can't believe scum hitted him when they knew Lords were going to kill him. This leaves 2 options: Scum knew gum had only 1 hp left or there is an SK that wanted to hide in that kill (I tried that in Sicilian). If the first is true than there is a mole in the Lanister House. iamp saying that it is a vigi is just ridiculous, why would a vigi waste a shot on a target that is going to die anyway? I don't think grack+iamp is scum though, because if they were they should just have kept their mouths shut, and just kill one of their members to keep their House under control and nobody would even find out about the HP check.

Mr.X seems like a trustworthy person for Oberyn, otherwise I see no reason why Oberyn hasn't said his name yet. It's a bit unlucky that both Onegu and Mr.X visited Xatalos, otherwise people not dieing could be seen as a successful safe on Xatalos instead of one of the visitors must be scum.

Yamato red check is quite damning and should be enough evidence to get him lynched today. Yamato being either miller or being framed is unlikely. If this is the case then this is bad luck. Not lynching yamato is bad play.


Why is this unlucky?

With only Gumshoe dieing we can safely assume that scum tried to kill Xatalos right? Well, it is not 100% certain but chances are high. So most likely both visitors wanted to safe Xatalos instead of killing him?

But that is just theorycrafting.


I don't really understand what you mean?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 19:21 GMT
#2004
On August 12 2013 04:20 s0Lstice wrote:
yea, ignore yamato

after him, i would really, really like to kill acro


Or Mr. X if Oberyn doesn't deem him trustworthy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 19:57 GMT
#2012
On August 12 2013 04:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
You're not invited.


That's kind of harsh, even I have to say.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 19:59 GMT
#2013
And if Acro flips scum I'm almost sure that s0Lstice is town. He'd need to be really ruthless to start bussing at a time like this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#2014
On August 12 2013 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:07 Chromatically wrote:
On August 12 2013 04:03 Koshi wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:46 Koshi wrote:
I am back. I had soccer and couldn't post till now. I tried to make posts on my phone but it kept saying "Bad Request". I don't know how to fix it. I tried closing my browser, shutting down phone, reconnecting to the internet. Nothing.

Only Gumshoe dieing is strange. I can't believe scum hitted him when they knew Lords were going to kill him. This leaves 2 options: Scum knew gum had only 1 hp left or there is an SK that wanted to hide in that kill (I tried that in Sicilian). If the first is true than there is a mole in the Lanister House. iamp saying that it is a vigi is just ridiculous, why would a vigi waste a shot on a target that is going to die anyway? I don't think grack+iamp is scum though, because if they were they should just have kept their mouths shut, and just kill one of their members to keep their House under control and nobody would even find out about the HP check.

Mr.X seems like a trustworthy person for Oberyn, otherwise I see no reason why Oberyn hasn't said his name yet. It's a bit unlucky that both Onegu and Mr.X visited Xatalos, otherwise people not dieing could be seen as a successful safe on Xatalos instead of one of the visitors must be scum.

Yamato red check is quite damning and should be enough evidence to get him lynched today. Yamato being either miller or being framed is unlikely. If this is the case then this is bad luck. Not lynching yamato is bad play.


Why is this unlucky?

With only Gumshoe dieing we can safely assume that scum tried to kill Xatalos right? Well, it is not 100% certain but chances are high. So most likely both visitors wanted to safe Xatalos instead of killing him?

But that is just theorycrafting.

Why would scum shooting Xat mean that the second visitor was trying to protect him?

Scum is not going to kill him and going to send a guy to him.


It doesn't seem likely that scum tried to kill me. It's pretty much
1) Onegu protected me and X roleblocked me
or
2) Onegu protected/attacked me and X jailed me

1 seems more likely and even in case 2 it seems more likely that Onegu protected me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#2015
Wagon of Justice on Acro:
- Xatalos
- Dandel Ion
- s0Lstice

Any more to join?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 20:12 GMT
#2018
Actually where are Ace and Vivax? What have they done so far? Nothing I think. They're probably scum as well (at least one of them).

Not sure about scum KP, but I think it's more common to have someone (or several Mafiosos) deal it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 20:56 GMT
#2038
Risen what's up with your reads? Whatever happened to your first big list of fail? What are your stances these days?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#2041
##Nuke yamato77
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#2045
On August 12 2013 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:25 Risen wrote:
On August 12 2013 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
Risen what's up with your reads? Whatever happened to your first big list of fail? What are your stances these days?


Some things have changed, some haven't. Honestly I haven't read the thread much (at all) since the start of this day. I'll catch up after invitational is over.

It's called the INTERNATIONAL


For once you make sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 07:14 GMT
#2088
Is it some tradition to scumclaim with a baby seal by the way? Acro did the same a while back when we were scum together.

I didn't see that one coming. Clever to team up for the fakeclaim like that, made it very believable. Unfortunately we didn't discover much new info from that (besides that I'm confident Clarity is town now, it felt so genuine to discuss the situation with him). I also forgot that Clarity was roleblocked as well. I doubt scum have 2 roleblockers so probably a townie roleblocked him. Dunno why though, he never felt scummy to me.

I'm also more confident in my roleblocker being scum now. If I was a town Jailor, I would definitely contact Oberyn (unless maybe I didn't trust my Lord). So there's still a chance that he is town but it feels less likely than before.

iamperfection seems to trust Acro and made one decent point speaking for his townieness. If my roleblocker is scum (likely), why would Acro play along so well and PM people about the situation? This relies on my roleblocker being scum though and isn't THAT strong of a towny thing IMO, but it lowers my suspicion a bit. Maybe Acro should be given more time and shoot/lynch into the most apathetic group (Vivax/Ace/snb/Kush) for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 07:44 GMT
#2102
Next level WIFOM...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 07:45 GMT
#2104
yamato you have one for me too, right?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 07:59 GMT
#2112
Btw I'm going to laugh so hard if Sharrant comes here and says that his red check was a fake as well. yamato would sure feel dumb

I agree with Clarity. No point in killing Ace ASAP when he has (yet unrealized) potential to be useful.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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