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Okay, go read this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&user=Onegu
I really think Onegu is more... how should i say it... maybe strained, in that game. Most of his posts include some sort of suspicion, question etc. He basically isn't relaxed and tries to look like he's pushing town agenda with all his posts. He also pushed jrkirby despite calling him a lynchbait, and this game he opposed lynching jrkirby for being a lynchbait.
I think Onegu's current game is much closer to NWM. Even Onegu's Doctor claim reminds me of his Immune One claim there. Opinions?
Oberyn, just reveal the second one who visited me please. Especially if he's someone otherwise scummy (Vivax, snb, Acro, yamato etc.) it should be clear who to lynch.
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Also if it's someone like Koshi or Kush -> lynch for sure.
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Or Ace or s0Lstice I guess. They might be town as well though.
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On second thought I'm not as sure. Onegu has s lot of similar semi-aggressive one-liners here as in Bluelightz. But a lot will depend on the mystery visitor. One of them is 99% scum (I heavily doubt Oberyn is).
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On August 11 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you think Koshi and Solstice both scum?
Either one of them could be scum, their N0 events point to them not being scum together (unless they had some grand plan). S0Lstice has posted pretty townish in the thread so Koshi seems more likely. Or it's possible neither of them is, I guess. I want to see if one of them visited me tonight though.
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On August 11 2013 20:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyway...
let me just put it in one post to make it easier.
xata claims roleblocked
oberyn claims watcher and says he targeted xata, 2 visitors. He hasn't told us who, though.
onegu claims 1 shot medic on xata
Easy conclusion: xata lied about the roleblock or onegu is lying about the 1shot medic or the 2nd person who targeted xata is the roleblocker.
xata looks pretty town, no reason for him to lie and no reason for a town roleblocker to target him
Therefore either Onegu or the second person is scum
With how quickly onegu claimed 1shot medic I doubt he's scum trying to get a townie lynched before he dies.
Therefore whoever is left is scum. Oberyn if you did not fakeclaim you should just tell us who it is so we can lynch him
I agree that we should lynch Mr. X unless he has a reall good explanation.
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On August 11 2013 20:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
One possible problem.
If the person is town he is likely a protective role, if the person is scum he will likely claim a protective role.
If we lynch this person and he flips town we can't immediately lynch onegu for this.
The fact is that I was roleblocked. Why would I lie about that? So
1) Oberyn is lying (scum)
2) Onegu is lying (scum)
3) X is lying (scum)
If X flips town, we absolutely need to lynch Onegu or Oberyn.
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On August 11 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 20:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 11 2013 20:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
One possible problem.
If the person is town he is likely a protective role, if the person is scum he will likely claim a protective role.
If we lynch this person and he flips town we can't immediately lynch onegu for this. The fact is that I was roleblocked. Why would I lie about that? So 1) Oberyn is lying (scum) 2) Onegu is lying (scum) 3) X is lying (scum) If X flips town, we absolutely need to lynch Onegu or Oberyn. That's what I mean. Both people on you could theoretically be town. Onegu's claim seems really natural, so I think he's town. Oberyn seems town. If X flips town I don't think we can lynch onegu/oberyn on just this watcher claim
Ahhhh I get what you mean. If X is town RB, then Onegu is probably telling the truth as well as Oberyn. But why in the name of all that is holy would any townie RB me of all people? Everyone said thatI was town? Unless it's Risen (LOL).
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On August 11 2013 20:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
nvm yeah I'm an idiot. One of onegu or X roleblocked you.
I guess jailer is a possibility but unlikely.
Huh? You meant that even if X was a town non-RB, both Onegu and Oberyn could be telling the truth? How did you arrive at that conclusion........
Actually I guess jailor is possible too. That's the only scenario where all three could be town basically.
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On August 11 2013 20:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah one of them is scum. Town wouldn't roleblock you. I just derped on the roleblock part.
The only explanation where all are town is a town jailer. Very unlikely and if player X is anyone even remotely scummy we need to lynch them
Truth.
Oberyn?
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On August 11 2013 21:19 Oberyn wrote:
I'll give the other player a few more hours to claim via pms to their Lord for them to pass it on to me. If they don't, I'll reveal who they are and we can lynch them.
Hmm. Not really sure what that accomplishes, but if you want to wait a bit, then okay I guess.
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So Yamato has a red check? Then it's actually better to lynch him before X (X's red flip wouldn't necessarily clean Onegu, but Yamato's red flip would certainly clean Sharrant). Either one is fine with me though.
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On August 11 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh so its sharrant. Acro is definitely scum then.
Hm?
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On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
What happens if
A: Its a fakecheck.
B: Yamato is a miller
C: Yamato was framed.
Hm Xata?
What's your point? In any case we shoot/lynch Sharrant+X if Yamato flips town. That has the highest chance of hitting scum even if it's not 100% (anything rarely is 100%). And it's not like Yamato isn't scummy even without this redcheck.
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I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later.
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On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum?
Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP.
Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm.
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Nvm fail of logic. Of course if X is RB all 3 could be genuine.
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*If X is Jailor. What's wrong with me.
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