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On July 12 2013 04:39 Ace wrote:
in a rush but @austin: why the vote for jamp? I may have missed it but explain it to me. Who were you going to vote for originally?
I should be back before deadline Was on DI, but now he's getting nuked.
Have been scummy on jampi all day, moreso than on maju. Maju actually was kinda null for me. There's been this recent rash of talk about him, but frankly, all the claims and power usages are making it hard to zero in on what posts I like and dislike in the last 18 hours or so. Given that jampi hasn't done anything to assuage my scumread...happy to vote there for now. If I can get my head on straight and make sense of things that may change.
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On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally.
Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum.
Why is maju NOT scum?
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On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.
If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.
Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine.
I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor.
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On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it. He never claimed unstable.
On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote:
Ok guys I have a nuke.
Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing.
Who should I nuke? In most games, you have to use nukes like 12 hours before deadline, to make sure hosts see the post, get the nuke notification in thread, people can respond, etc.
From what he posted, I read that as "I am currently the leading lynch candidate. I have a nuke. If I wait until less than 12 hours until deadline and get lynched, I will die and the nuke with me. Therefore, I want to launch this in time to get it off, so that if I die town will at least have gotten value from my nuke."
While focusing on defense and NOT getting lynched is probably a better route, he never said word 1 about the nuke being unstable, and I think that was a general "You can't launch nukes last second" prohibition
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Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth.
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On July 12 2013 05:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth. You live in a utopia, my friend. Entirely true.
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On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.
Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy
Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?
On July 12 2013 05:58 geript wrote:
Jampi:
1. Seems to know that Rayn didn't fire the mystery nuke (scum) but provides ok reasoning for it neutral
2. Brings up valid points on the Maju nuke after his "death nuke" towny
3. Most of his filter is about the rayn-nuke situation scummy
I don't think you can break it down like this, at least if you're doing the above to say "Vote maju!"
maju votes onegu for weak reasons in your points above. What about jampi's D1 votes? Are they unimportant? Do you know where they went and why? Is tunneling more or less scummy than just not doing ANYTHING about scumreads?
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On July 12 2013 06:40 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
One point in favor of lynching jampidampi is that I like the people on jampidampi's wagon a lot more (not confident in Z-Boson but the rest feel townish). MajuGarzett's wagon has a lot of shady people (VA, Sentinel (Abenson), Jampidampi, Ace...). Judging a lynch by the people in it is not a good play, most of the time. My good sir, for someone who was unaware that deadline was approaching and voted on the basis of cookies, you are markedly active/opinionated.
Perhaps this time would be well-used reading maju and jampi to come to your own conclusion. Or ... telling us how you feel about the replacement crew?
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Out for a bit, happy with vote.
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On July 12 2013 08:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc can you please post a couple of games where you were scum? Replaced into Chrono Trigger
Rolled scum in Aperture 2, Personality 2, PTP 4
Them's all my scum games. Of particular note is the lack of Nuclear Winter on that list.
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Scum don't bake delicious banana bread. Everyone else go make some, post it, and we should have the game solved.
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On July 13 2013 05:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:06 johnnywup wrote:On July 13 2013 04:02 FirmTofu wrote:On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote:
I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit. I don't understand the abbreviation. Can you post your role pm? When do you make nukes? When can you deliver them to others? random number generated. I'd still like to see the role PM though Show nested quote +You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Don't like the look of this.
You choose a nuke type, with no mention of nuke types in the PM. Indicates both that you've had knowledge of different types of nukes AND that you're altering/omitting things from your PM.
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On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore.
You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind.
I still hate this claim. It still involves nuke types. It uses...different wording than any of the other nuke producers, although they were all technicians and you're not claiming that. Everyone else's role is also a person, medic/technician/protestor/immune one, whereas your role would be a...physical location.
To the folks who are missile defense systems, are you a location or are you like "Missile Defense Operator" or some sort of person-y sounding thing?
+ Show Spoiler +For reference on the language: You are a North-Korean Technician! Working for best Korea, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. You are a North-Korean Technician! Working for best Korea, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. You are a Russian Technician! Working for the motherland, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. All of those are technicians, so if they were just copy pasted then maybe each role was written with completely different wording. But if anyone else's role involves giving nukes or anything to someone, maybe check you PM and see if the language mirrors either of these. If all thing-giving follows the "you may PM me to whom you would like to ......" then i'm less willing to chalk the wording up to being a different role, and it'll look even more like a fake claim
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On July 13 2013 08:03 Koshi wrote:
Austinmcc. Shouldn't you discuss the death sentence Xatalos put on you?
I do agree with him that you are on/off a lot. When I joined the game you were very active, but during the lynch you were blending in the background. Why is that? Xatalos gonna get temp banned 
Activity dips are sometimes RL, or yesterday in part because lynch candidates got nuked and unnuked. Game done changed.
On July 13 2013 08:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Austin trying to get me lynched off of wording of PMs. That's cute.
Also scummy as shit.
You've been very absent. Haven't participated in much. Dropped in to say you gave Ace a nuke, posted a fake PM.
The second PM STILL smells fake. If someone who was lurking popped in with TWO fake roleclaims, what would you think about them?
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The technician roles weren't that explicit either. They did include the PM bit, and some weird sounding wording, but no targeting like that
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On July 13 2013 08:25 Ace wrote:
austin, you are sure that PM is fake, correct? I think that PM is fake. If the missile defense folks are people, not places, I'd be more convinced.
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On July 13 2013 08:42 Ace wrote:
Austin, you knew about the existence of them before they were first launched. Are you going down a "you mentioned there might be hidden nukes before nukes got launched" road?
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On July 13 2013 08:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:43 austinmcc wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Ace wrote:
Austin, you knew about the existence of them before they were first launched. Are you going down a "you mentioned there might be hidden nukes before nukes got launched" road? yes. you did indeed have knowledge of hidden nukes then yes? Nope. I joined a game named "Nuclear Winter Mafia" with a mostly-closed setup and the promise of different types of nukes. In terms of "what do you expect from an entire game themed around nukes," that's a pretty quick thing to hypothesize.
You joined the same game I did. Take 10 seconds and go "what kind of roles would I put in a game about nuking?"
On July 07 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
It's probably a bad idea to do the fake nukes as it narrows down for scum who actually has a nuke when your fake nuke doesn't work. However, his other post was nonsensical, that's true.
At least that's my opinion, which is probably wrong. This was actually an original thought posted in thread on that page. Also, as a note, now that we've seen a nuke. If you think you know all sorts of stuff about the nukes in this game, you're probably horribly, horribly wrong. Game themed around nukes. OP mentions different types of nukes, multi-nukers, and we could easily see dud nukes/nuke retargeters/silent nukes/whatever. You can't freak out because chez shot a nuke, that's...sort of what this game is about. Nor do you know if it will land, or where, or anything. So knock it off with the caps and the freaking out. It's POSSIBLE there are dud nukes if stutters isn't lying. We DO have a nuke retargeter. Silent nukes as well. I'ma just go with I'm a baws at speculation.
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On July 13 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Ace what are you talking about with Austin knowing shit in advance? The above post, I think. Afaik that post was made before WoS retarged a nuke or we saw MZ get silent nuked.
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