EPTVayne was black on your read list, but there's been a decent bit written about him lately. FirmTofu was town on your list of reads, but he was part of a group at lynch time that you were concerned with (Although you noted that you weren't concerned with him out of the people in the group). What in particular has you town on him?
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Vayne was black on your read list, but there's been a decent bit written about him lately. FirmTofu was town on your list of reads, but he was part of a group at lynch time that you were concerned with (Although you noted that you weren't concerned with him out of the people in the group). What in particular has you town on him? | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:45 Alakaslam wrote: I will admit that I have a hard time figuring out if you're actually getting at something in particular or no. You find these pages, and the page sets you've referenced earlier, to be important because of specific posts or specific things that happen? Like...it would be helpful if you either got to where you're trying to go, or possibly changed tracks and got somewhere in general. I just can't tell what you're trying to do fully.EBWOP. Cut out some unimportant for the time-pressed. Anyone have early page suggestions? As best I can tell, but don't know explicit page numbers, good spots to look are where ACTION took place. Chez's nuke and the following calls for him to be nuked or not. Redirects/saves/claims concerning those. People's reasons for hopping on the ON wagon/off the ON wagon. | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:46 MajuGarzett wrote: Maju, pretend you work in a nuke factory.I would also be down for a lynch on VA for the reasons I gave earlier as well austin's case. I don't suspect FirmToufu so that's not a problem for me. FirmTofu may have been against DI's lynch but that lynch did move pretty fast so I think that action is caution rather than trying to save his scum buddy. FT has also done a good amount of analysis. Rayn asked me for some specific reads so here: WoS nuke redirect I don't find scummy because if he was scum the only reason for a redirect would be to gain credit which could only be done by redirecting the nuke to scum.Also, I really doubt that he would save a scum buddy like that as if one of them dies the other is sure to be caught. WoS was also accepted that Rayn's nuke claim didn't make sense for scum quite early. I think if WoS was scum he would have tried to pressure Rayn a bit more. So WoS is probably town. MZ is town, I don't have any evidence to the contrary and neither does anyone else I've seen. I still suspect Onegu. Looking at his filter the only read he's given is repeating Xata is 100% town. He's said this 3 times so far and uses it as an excuse to sheep. Rayn's claim doesn't make sense for scum so I don't suspect him. Best lynch targets are VA, Onegu, and DI. Who do you give your first nuke to, someone who is townie and you trust to do townie stuff with it? Who would you give a nuke to if you want it in townie hands, but want to shake up the thread, have them do something odd with it that might spark discussion/hit scum with a longshot? Who would you nuke with a nuke that just causes the person to post all their thoughts? | ||
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It's like posting that there are scum in this game and we should find them. It's true, but we know that. If there's something specific that you want to get into within those pages, bring it up. If there's someone who addressed those pages in a weird way or not at all, and you want to point that out, bring it up. But just noting that those pages exist and are important doesn't really affect the thread. | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:04 Alakaslam wrote: Because you have referenced sets of pages now 6 times Please. Some people may not want to/ have time to read whole thread, scum will make it longer and longer so they play from behind and suck. This is an effort to catch them up. -_- how is that being captain obvious. I'm not statin they exist, I am saying they are important pages with important events that no town should miss.  I agree that people are missing and will miss important stuff. But repeating that just clogs the thread with even MORE posts. If you want to constantly remind people of important pages, just stick a spoiler at the bottom of all your posts with pages that you think are very important, but save your actual posting for new stuff. DI is banned in relation to stuff that came out of Basterd Mafia. Not clear whether it would have really affected his play here or not. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:22 Xatalos wrote: DI popped in at multiple times, but contributed nothing and didn't make an attempt to. Specifically, he popped in towards the end of D1, when he was a viable lynch candidate, but didn't put any effort into doing thangs and then dipped out again.DI still seems to fit better as scum (meta) but considering all the crap that was happening in Basterd, it's possible that his lack of motivation was through that as well. So I'd much rather lynch one of the above mentioned four. The justice stuff recently may be tied to Basterd, and he may have been less motivated to play than normal, but the specific behavior at the end of D1 seems far, far, far more likely to indicate scum DI than anything else. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:29 Xatalos wrote: With the caveat that holy balls nobody should be nuking at the start of the day when I believe everything we've seen has to be launched with more than 12 hours remaining.Good night now. If you feel the urge to nuke, I see zero sense in nuking someone other than Ace/austin/Abenson/MajuGarzett/DI/Stutters695/Ghost_403. Maybe jampidampi. DI might be okay just to save our time for someone we could actually pressure. Saving some nukes might be a good idea too. That's a BOATLOAD of discussion that might influence nuke targeting. Not only that, but I see...8 names on that list? Which is more than 1/3 the playerbase. Go back to the townie posts and not the "Hey guys, prematurely fire nukes into this enormous list kkthx" posts. | ||
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NOBODY should go off nuking willy-nilly. Best option is for anyone with a nuke today to claim it, and we'll use it as a bonus lynch (Definitely if you HAVE to nuke, possibly if you just have one). Why? Cuz. We know from D1 that scum or 3P have nukes, see the nuke on MZ if not more. We know based on MZ's flip that scum has nuke factories (no reason to give town a role that shuts down nuke factories if there aren't any non-town nuke factories). HA. LOOK AT DEM TOWNIE THOUGHTS, FIGGERIN' OUT STUFF. SO. What we'd like to do is be able to separate out townie nukes from scum nukes. It's possible all scum nukes are silent, and if that's the case, then boo. But! BUT! If scum nukes, or nukes from scum factories, have to be let off in thread, then by forcing nukers to claim and having nukes go off according to town's will, rather than the nuker's will, we: (1) Control any possible mafia nukes that have to be used in thread (Go off nuking on your own = scum) (2) Keep SOME shenanigans from occurring (mafia/town has been saying dude x is scummy, nukes dude x without discussing with town) The more control we have over nukes, the better. Yes, it limits your ability to be a hero/throw a nuke wherever you want, but...see D1. The ability to use nukes as extra lynches AND restrict scum options, even just a little bit, is better for town than random people YOLO nuking. At the very least, if anyone feels differently, thinks this is NOT a good idea, please to speak. But popping off nukes whenever you feel like it is generally bad, and lets mafia shoot their own nukes wherever they'd like as long as they can just say they thought the dude was scummy. | ||
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On July 10 2013 17:03 Xatalos wrote: austinmcc, you asked a lot of reads from me yesterday. But what's YOUR read on Ace? What are your top scumreads? Ace is fine by me, the only thing I've found scummy is how he continued arguing with rayn and everone during the night. Not enough to want to lynch him today. | ||
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On July 10 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote: I ll try and do my best to understand this game fully soonishly. Welcome aboard and if you manage to understand this game fully, please share. | ||
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I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: On July 10 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah seems kinda like he has extra info. And just adding JUST IN CASE stuff to look active. scummy man. Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler +Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot? Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity. ##vote Austin Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right? On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: On July 10 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that the jampi case has too much speculation in it. Do you think he is scum if you ignore the nuke thing? Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. | ||
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Whatever else DI may have been doing, he was around at points in this game, and didn't even make an effort to impact the game at all. Especially popping in towards the end of D1 and not even trying to shift the lynch/make sure it stayed shifted looks bad, because I have never known him to be that uninvolved/carefree. Regardless of the justice/ban stuff, he put no effort into doing anything, nor even into dropping a post saying "Super busy with this other thing, don't lynch me kkbai." | ||
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You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this: On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing.Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me. Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation. And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum. Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT. I havent read VA that much if at all If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: On July 11 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I am willing to give dandels replacement a chance to play the game since dandel didnt. is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. | ||
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On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches?Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands. D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No. So therefore you are scum. I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? | ||
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If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. | ||
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