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Here is my one half-a-misgiving, and it's an interesting one:
I was poking at people yesterday about ON. I got nothing. Like stone nothing from most people I asked, and MZ didn't even respond til poke #2 or #3. I would assume that if ON were mafia, someone would NOTICE that, and would either (1) call me scum for constantly mentioning ON and never voting him/case-ing him or (2) try to defend him even though I hadn't really accused him yet.
Nobody did those two things. Nobody freaked out that pressure might be coming, that he might be under suspicion.
If you guys didn't think I was really interested in ON or anything, or actually feel that I'm scummy, then I can maybe understand this - who cares if austinmcc is talking about ON when he's not saying anything and looks scummy. But it's slightly WIFOM-y and slightly disconcerting that I beat around the ON-is-scum-bush and the bush just sat there.
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On July 09 2013 05:24 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay we'll see about Chez later.
I don't want to lynch austin. I want to sheep him. Or rather "sheep" as i think ON is scum. I will agree cause, you know Austin knows things... The only thing I know is that I don't know as much as other people seem to think they know
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On July 09 2013 05:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:On July 09 2013 05:24 Chezinu wrote:On July 09 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay we'll see about Chez later.
I don't want to lynch austin. I want to sheep him. Or rather "sheep" as i think ON is scum. I will agree cause, you know Austin knows things... The only thing I know is that I don't know as much as other people seem to think they know I don't even know what my role would have done.. that means oh geez... you must be lost unless, I'm not the other people... I don't trust this for a minute, lol.
Of course, if nothing else, we'll probably all find out.
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[QUOTE]On July 09 2013 05:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc atmever, in any game.[QUOTE]
Talk to me about the reaction though. You have been looking at me, specifically, for a decent bit of this game. Did you think I had some unhealthy obsession with ON? Was scummy on him before now? Or my mentions of him just slipped your mind?
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Dear urrbody,
I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!"
ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch?
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On July 09 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote:
Dear urrbody,
I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!"
ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch? Actually ON should debunk your case instead of telling how he has not played mafia for a year. I agree with your case and as you might very well know i have been suspicious of ON for a long time. You're being overly aggressive with this.
Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt.
ON, what two players would you nuke if you had 2 nukes and why? If you'd already made 2 nukes, who would you give them to?
Beyond that, are there other limitations? Can't give to the same person more than once? Can't stockpile them and have to give out each cycle?
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On July 09 2013 06:00 geript wrote:
@ausin i disagree with your point on wanting to see a defense. what type of defense can be useful in being able to read thought process. and just because you think someone is scum, doesnt mean you want to lynch them at the end of theday. reads change I think that's true. But the timing, and the limit to being focused on the defense itself as the turning point, rather than a read, both bug me.
I would have less of a problem if I saw a clear "Here is why JW is scummy" or "I agree with X that JW is scummy for those reasons" --> defense addressing those concerns --> changed mind --> finding a new target.
But I don't see the first two steps, it seems like JW is scummy BECAUSE he hasn't defended himself as well as ON would like, not that he's scummy and THEN didn't defend himself well. The...the defense given appears to be part of the scumread, to the extent that one is being expressed.
Nor do I see the finding of a new target, so I don't actually buy pressure --> defense --> new target --> that guy defends --> new target. Someone I have seen do that really well is BH, constantly shifting around on D1 but forcing people to defend themselves and post. Here, I don't see any pressure coming from ON, nor do I see him even considering other specific targets really for the rest of the day.
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I'm going to crack up and then be sad if I argue about Liquid City with Z-Boson and then this game becomes Liquid City 2.0.
I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming.
On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment
'splain please
On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious.
That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going.
I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters?
Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters?
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On July 09 2013 06:27 johnnywup wrote:
Someone please catch me on the past 8 pages? DI came back but didn't do anything.
I made a case on ON - + Show Spoiler +On July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote:The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName. In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote:
Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update.
-Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults!
-The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow.
-Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage.
Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote:
Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play.
If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread.
I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum. Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be. Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk . He's around, but he's not actually affecting the game at all. (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW: + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 07:22 gumshoe wrote:On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? I would consider yolo to act like technology in LOTR, is it inherently evil? Course not, is it used predominately BY evil? Sadly yes ) : so null leaning scum. Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. What's the point of this question as i asked basically the same thing (without revealing my intentions) than Xatalos did from JW? If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW: + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:09 johnnywup wrote:
Shitty gutread? Maybe. But at least I'm voting scum. You're trying to start a bandwagon on an obvious townie. What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler +Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote:
Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways: + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the momentI'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up.If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch." Do you see what I see? - ON doesn't actually think JW is scum
- ON doesn't care at all where his vote is
- ON appears to be contributing, voting, moving his vote, but...if you read these posts they are just air. There's no analysis, there's no nothing. For all these posts about scum and JW and lurkers and everything, ON just wants JW to post a better defense, and maybe wants to vote a lurker.
- ON cares so little about his vote that he drops a vote on a dude for 50 minutes before deciding maybe he should move it to "pressure" someone else
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe johnnywup should be allowed to live another day. Certainly Onegu, MajuGarzett, TanGeng and Abenson are looking bad, possibly worse than johnnywup, at the moment.
But why is WoS scum? Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote:
So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread.
If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB
SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again.
Stutters has done absolutely shit all.
ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. On July 09 2013 02:06 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: Dandel Ion
As a starting point.
If consolidation is necessary I'll move around as needed. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever.
(6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:48 OriginalName wrote:On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. On July 08 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin what do you think of ON? I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Can you give me one good reason why Chezinu would as town nuke Xatalos? Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote:
@Ace
What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance?
Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote:This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote:
also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off What do you mean with this? he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways.
Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of ThronesWhile he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 10:42 Mattchew wrote:On September 18 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2012 01:24 Zephirdd wrote:On September 18 2012 01:15 Drazerk wrote:On September 18 2012 01:14 Zephirdd wrote:
Yugi, 7 players posted. in a 26 player game where you know 3 of your allies. Oh so you have 3 allies? if anyone's worried, really this should be your confirmation that Zeph is a turk. that and no one defending him Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:34 Mattchew wrote:On September 18 2012 11:32 OriginalName wrote:On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote:
i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town? Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider. i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote:
I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
ON stop nitpicking on syllo, you realize he is talking about only him and not SLJ as a whole. Honestly what do you think produces more information day1, me pushing a hard lynch I'm not very confident on and most town sheeping me blindly or if I stay cool and let the thread behave organically. I'm not here to behave as people think a townie should behave, I'm trying to get the most info out of this day. I find it hard to believe you really think we are the best lynch for day1 (LOL). Sit down and watch us get shot night 1 or come back day2 and murder all scum. There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm.
##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront.
A good chunk of people voted for him, but now that lynch is fracturing for a variety of reasons.
Some folks want to lynch VA instead of DI
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On July 09 2013 06:25 geript wrote:
Not a solid "he's towny read" but much like WoS in TheGame, the claim is almost too bad to make him scum. I'm ok with lynching him on principle, but I'm just not as keen about it. The thing I liked about it was that most everyone who jumped ship I felt were town How is the claim too bad?
On what principle do you want to lynch him?
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On July 09 2013 06:31 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 06:26 austinmcc wrote:I'm going to crack up and then be sad if I argue about Liquid City with Z-Boson and then this game becomes Liquid City 2.0. I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming. On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment 'splain please On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious.
That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going.
I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters? Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters? I said "IF". I don't think anyone has switched their voted based on his claim yet, so I don't think anyone on the ON wagon is suspicious as of yet. I will look through it later, but for now, I would like to focus on why VA would be a better lynch than ON. Why point out that you find something very suspicious if it hasn't happened? Also, can you walk me through how the switching based on the claim would make you suspicious?
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Driving home, possibly missing lynch, possibly back just in time.
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To the someone or someones who was asking if ON defended himself, he posted a response/defense thingy:+ Show Spoiler +On July 09 2013 05:57 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote:The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName. In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote:
Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update.
-Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults!
-The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow.
-Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage.
Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote:
Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote:
Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play.
If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread.
I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum. Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be. Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk . He's around, but he's not actually affecting the game at all. And so were about 10 other people yet you seem to like to single me out for this(2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW: + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 07:22 gumshoe wrote:On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? I would consider yolo to act like technology in LOTR, is it inherently evil? Course not, is it used predominately BY evil? Sadly yes ) : so null leaning scum. Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote:On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote:
Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. What's the point of this question as i asked basically the same thing (without revealing my intentions) than Xatalos did from JW? If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW: + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:09 johnnywup wrote:
Shitty gutread? Maybe. But at least I'm voting scum. You're trying to start a bandwagon on an obvious townie. What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler +Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote:
Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways: + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the momentI'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up.If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch." Do you see what I see? - ON doesn't actually think JW is scum
- ON doesn't care at all where his vote is
- ON appears to be contributing, voting, moving his vote, but...if you read these posts they are just air. There's no analysis, there's no nothing. For all these posts about scum and JW and lurkers and everything, ON just wants JW to post a better defense, and maybe wants to vote a lurker.
- ON cares so little about his vote that he drops a vote on a dude for 50 minutes before deciding maybe he should move it to "pressure" someone else
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe johnnywup should be allowed to live another day. Certainly Onegu, MajuGarzett, TanGeng and Abenson are looking bad, possibly worse than johnnywup, at the moment.
But why is WoS scum? Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote:
So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread.
If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB
SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again.
Stutters has done absolutely shit all.
ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. On July 09 2013 02:06 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: Dandel Ion
As a starting point.
If consolidation is necessary I'll move around as needed. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever.
(6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: On July 08 2013 06:48 OriginalName wrote:On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. On July 08 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin what do you think of ON? I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Can you give me one good reason why Chezinu would as town nuke Xatalos? Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote:
@Ace
What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance?
Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote:This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote:
also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off What do you mean with this? he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. So what makes me different from Ace who "keeps his opinions close to his chest" am I not allowed the same luxury when I can't tell who is town or scum at all, almost everyone is a null tell due to the sheer amount of lurkers in this game. We could have the entire scum team lurking while we all point fingers around at each other as town and mislynch each other.
Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of ThronesWhile he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 10:42 Mattchew wrote:On September 18 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2012 01:24 Zephirdd wrote:On September 18 2012 01:15 Drazerk wrote:On September 18 2012 01:14 Zephirdd wrote:
Yugi, 7 players posted. in a 26 player game where you know 3 of your allies. Oh so you have 3 allies? if anyone's worried, really this should be your confirmation that Zeph is a turk. that and no one defending him Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:34 Mattchew wrote:On September 18 2012 11:32 OriginalName wrote:On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote:
i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town? Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider. i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote:
I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
ON stop nitpicking on syllo, you realize he is talking about only him and not SLJ as a whole. Honestly what do you think produces more information day1, me pushing a hard lynch I'm not very confident on and most town sheeping me blindly or if I stay cool and let the thread behave organically. I'm not here to behave as people think a townie should behave, I'm trying to get the most info out of this day. I find it hard to believe you really think we are the best lynch for day1 (LOL). Sit down and watch us get shot night 1 or come back day2 and murder all scum. There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm.
##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront.
This vote moving so frigging much. I actually like a DI lynch more than before because, despite showing back up to the thread for a moment, he posts basically nothing, notes he'd vote caucasianasian, says he wrote a post but lost it, gone permanently. Things swung away from him, there's lots of stuff ripe for discussion, and he disappeared.
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To ... Chez and I think JW, whoever claimed having unstable nukes with a 48-hour limit.
Did you have a single unstable nuke, like TanGeng, or do you produce them daily like ON?
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On July 09 2013 07:57 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
To ... Chez and I think JW, whoever claimed having unstable nukes with a 48-hour limit.
Did you have a single unstable nuke, like TanGeng, or do you produce them daily like ON? Every TWO days. HE WAS EXACTLY HONEST. Get facts right. The question was the general "Did you have A nuke, or do you make more." Yes, he made every 2 cycles, but I want to know whether we have a bunch of gotta-shoot nukes again or no.
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On July 09 2013 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
austin what do you think of WoS? I think his role usage was ... kinda butt. I can understand the desire to save MZ, but I both hate the speed/lack of discussion on the retarget and I hate the D1 claim. In my mind, the ability to retarget a nuke is VERY powerful, assuming there are nukes on later days, and I don't like that he says it was one-shot but blew it D1. Screwing up a scum plan or a nuke whose landing they were counting on later in the game is such a fantastically town-favored thing to do, and he chose to ... not be able to do that.
Boo. Not alignmenty really, just boo.
His posts, or these two, make me townie on him:On July 08 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright back for the evening.
I have way more townreads than I do scumreads atm (which on one hand sucks yet on the other makes sense considering the ratio).
I could get behind a Dandel lynch today....MAYBE Chez.
Ace I saw you commenting on how it's bad to talk about whether a player has a nuke or not:
I was trying to lead Onegu into setup discussion to see if he would take the bait and go on with it. As you know in the recent newbie game you yourself instructed scum to stop the Nosy Neighbour talk after it had died down because they didn't want to be the only ones left cluttering up the thread. I wanted to see if he'd take it and run with it; he did not and as such i believe he has either taken your advice to heart as scum or is more likely town this game. I will see how he continues to play but for now I would not lynch Onegu.
To comment on Geript's tunnel of me----that's just what he do. He does it literally every game we've ever been in together, regardless of either of our alignments (I've always been town). I firmly believe him to be town this particular game so it hasn't really bothered me a great deal thus far, and whereas most games he tunnels me to the exclusion of all others, in this game he hasn't so it hasn't been counterproductive to scumhunting.
Read a thing (Ace's post), commented on that thing, gave clear reason for why he did something. Read another thing (Geript), gave a reason why he doesn't care and a read.
Just dumping his thoughts like that and explaining it out it something that I find townie.
On July 09 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote:On July 09 2013 02:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 09 2013 02:32 strongandbig wrote:
looks like i missed some nuke defenses (on pretty good targets) and some more nukes
and the worst roleclaim ever from engie (dont kill me im the doctor guise)
so im pretty okay with where the nukes are heading, i guess
Can you respond to this please? On July 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
SnB those are some bold words especially considering I was a main advocate for Johnny and only recently took my vote off him due to the sheer anger he seems to be displaying towards me for pushing him (which doesn't appear faked).
What is scummy about Johnny's post aside from what I've mentioned? Rayn seems to think it's pretty towny and it echoes his thoughts.
Also I super disagree with you regarding gumshoe. yeah sure jonnywups post: On July 07 2013 23:59 johnnywup wrote:Okay, caught up reading since last night and reread some filters. A couple things:  andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_> *I'd like him, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Abenson, MajuGarzett, Strongandbig, gumshoe (he has posted a bit...but not about the game at hand...), CaucasianAsian, Nirvana.Gabo, FirmTofu all to start posting more. They haven't really given us any content to go off of. And that's like half the people in the game... *I'm not sure what to think about Chezinu's nuke and it makes no sense to me, so I'm not going to try to make sense of it for now. Oh crap, I just noticed Abenson voted me without saying in thread >_>. Would you like to give your reasons? You have given no indication of any opinion at all in this thread. I'd like you to tell me what you think about everyone. There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. I've felt pretty strongly about WoS being scum since last night so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there ##vote WaveofShadow (1) lists every lurker in the game. no good reason to do that, its a waste of effort for town cause everyone can look for themselves whether a player has posted. literally no one will give a single shit about that list. however, its a convenient way for scum to pad out the post. (2) excessive focus only on people who voted him rather than looking for reads and pursuing them throughout the game. indicates a "get people off of me" mentality rather than a "find who's scum" mentality. (3) votes for wos, doesn't actually explain any reasons why he's scum except "look at before" despite talking about other players. (4) his reasons for omgussing people voting him are all pretty bad; there's nothing about tanggang or abenson explaining why they have a scum mentality or whatever. goes wiht the "get people to stop voting me" rather than "find who's scum" mentality thing. why did people say this was a townie looking post? I personally didn't think that post seemed very townie at all. It was a later response of his that made me change my mind. It was Rayn who found it townie and as I recall his reasoning was that it 'echoes his thoughts.' I'm still pretty sure Johnny is town at this point despite the early scumminess. SnB who (else) is scum? Dis mans too. He's been poking at snb, snb comes back with a post, WoS follows up with snb on his post. Plus, his followup is "Oh yeah, I read that post, had the same thought, but then went here, and oh yeah please keep scumhunting/talking more." Reads very town to me. If he's scum, he (1) doesn't have to comment on this (2) doesn't have to continue discussing. The fact he comments, adds his own thoughts, AND tries to continue onwards is townie to me.
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In exchange, I desire your thoughts on FirmTofu
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On July 09 2013 08:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Clearly MZ and I are both scum and I knew NG was town at the start which is why I claimed blue and redirected the nuke.
Retarded suspicion is retarded.
Anyway sorry for the shit redirect I guess. Already explained myself so I don't really have anything else to say on the matter.
I still think DI is scum and I still want him dead. Anybody conveniently feel like calling me scum for that too? You're scum for that.
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