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On July 16 2013 22:02 Koshi wrote:
geript has 17(!) pages of posts. What did this guy already done protown in these 17 pages?
Read his last 5 pages. It's all CRAP, except for 1 post his "knowledge" nuke. In which he makes a case out of action in the first lynch against austin. But what did geript do after this? He put 0 pressure on austin and the next target he mentions to lynch is CA --> because geript wants to lynch on posts suddenly.
Its all there go read all the one liners from page 12-17 in geripts filter. I get that you think geript is scum, but WHY would he and maju pull this today?
If scum is in a good position this game (seems assured), then why not nuke a townie? Moreover, if this is a scum plot, it makes no sense. Maju, who is getting lynched today, can't gain town cred off a bus, because the nuke won't land before the lynch. So you're suggesting scum is nuking scum, but won't get any of the credit for doing so. That just means they waste a nuke and lose a member for no raisin.
Even if you think the nuke is FAKE, why would this happen? We can only lynch a single player per day. Fake-nuking geript probably doesn't keep maju out of the lynch today, and honestly, getting fake-nuked by scum doesn't make you look townie or anything. It'd bring more attention on his head, make him look odd, so...I guess why is a fake-nuke on scumgeript from scummaju doing anything for scum?
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On July 16 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 22:13 austinmcc wrote:On July 16 2013 22:02 Koshi wrote:
geript has 17(!) pages of posts. What did this guy already done protown in these 17 pages?
Read his last 5 pages. It's all CRAP, except for 1 post his "knowledge" nuke. In which he makes a case out of action in the first lynch against austin. But what did geript do after this? He put 0 pressure on austin and the next target he mentions to lynch is CA --> because geript wants to lynch on posts suddenly.
Its all there go read all the one liners from page 12-17 in geripts filter. I get that you think geript is scum, but WHY would he and maju pull this today? If scum is in a good position this game (seems assured), then why not nuke a townie? Moreover, if this is a scum plot, it makes no sense. Maju, who is getting lynched today, can't gain town cred off a bus, because the nuke won't land before the lynch. So you're suggesting scum is nuking scum, but won't get any of the credit for doing so. That just means they waste a nuke and lose a member for no raisin. Even if you think the nuke is FAKE, why would this happen? We can only lynch a single player per day. Fake-nuking geript probably doesn't keep maju out of the lynch today, and honestly, getting fake-nuked by scum doesn't make you look townie or anything. It'd bring more attention on his head, make him look odd, so...I guess why is a fake-nuke on scumgeript from scummaju doing anything for scum? Actually, what if Geript can shoot the nuke out of the air? What is your stance on Geript then? They might waste a nuke. But Geript looks better right? Oats did you get extra shots? Like extra defensive misseles? If geript can shoot the nuke out of the air, then here's what I see happening.
We lynch MG. Almost certainly flips scum.
Geript gets to go "scum shot a nuke at me, I'm town!"
Geript gets some town cred at the cost of a nuke AND a shootdown
But right now, people want to lynch MG, want to lynch me, want to lynch stutters, want to lynch snb, want to lynch geript, ace, chez, etc. etc.
Given that there are SO MANY targets, and scum just killed another 2 townies yesterday (and one or more will die today, depending on whether these nukes get shot down), scum doesn't NEED to waste a nuke for town cred for geript.
Scum can nuke a townie, not waste the nuke, save a shootdown if geript is scum. Because town is so split and we have so many lynch candidates, I don't think there's NEED for them to waste a nuke on making geript look better. They can just push the lynch where they want it on one day where we're considering a townie for lynch. I don't think a better-looking geript is worth the cost of a nuke and a defense, especially when people are already thinking it might be a bus, lessening the cred.
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On July 17 2013 00:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's funny I was thinking the same thing, but he's shown he is capable of it, technically.
Was waiting for that. I can't say that I'm not.
I'll note that if you read last game, I  IDN'T* really do much of it until the last day. And on the last day, I was actually just hunting scum, except...as scum myself. That wasn't exactly the most normal ending to a mafia game ever, and it actually felt like playing town.
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I'm assuming the nuke will land, but I'd heart someone defensing it. Actually forgot about that last night in frustration.
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On July 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:37 austinmcc wrote:
I'm assuming the nuke will land, but I'd heart someone defensing it. Actually forgot about that last night in frustration. lol I kinda forgot who was nuked. Wasn't it Geript and SnB? Or was it you? sentinel nuked me
maju nuked geript
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On July 17 2013 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn.
See here's my problem. I defs want the nuke on Geript to land (though it won't 'cause he'll protect himself) and the fact that it was Sent who nuked you makes me want that one to land as well despite me not thinking you're scum.
And there may be more throughout the day, but we'll see. I dunno. I'll keep attacking townies (and snb, but he's not town), and then by the end of the day when I've attacked all but a couple people, those folks are sure to be the mafia team.
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On July 17 2013 05:33 Stutters695 wrote:
Literally the post before it of his called for a lynch on both of us but as far as I can tell I'm his top scum read over Austin. I want to hear what he has to say, but why wouldn't he nuke me there?
The Austin quote revolves around a couple things. First his only case against me was based entirely off of me lying to make my role seem worthwhile and setup speculation that I couldn't be a place. I gave Ace a "nuke" from my toy store that I told the thread may or may not be real which was used on a scum read of the majority of the thread and someone Austin was unsure of, but I got the impression from his posts he was scummy. So if he thought Maju was scummy he destroyed what he should have believed was a nuke factory that was used for towns advantage because of setup speculation making him think I'm scum. That isn't a good reason to destroy town KP and it's sketchy. My action is a night action. At the time I targeted you, you had claimed this:On July 13 2013 02:33 Stutters695 wrote:
Ace definitely has a nuke. I gave it to him.
On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote:
I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit.
On July 13 2013 05:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:06 johnnywup wrote:On July 13 2013 04:02 FirmTofu wrote:On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote:
I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit. I don't understand the abbreviation. Can you post your role pm? When do you make nukes? When can you deliver them to others? random number generated. I'd still like to see the role PM though Show nested quote +You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Regardless of whom you gave a nuke to or who was being targeted (and that nuke was fired too late, it it's not like he actually nuked MG), your PM looked so fake that I didn't know what you were up to and wanted to shut you down.
Fake PM + claiming factory + Ace's not nuking in time = blowing up yo' factory if you had one. Seemed like a much better use of the ability than hoping another target had a factory to hit.
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Eh? This is kind of a lot of nukes.
Why just choosing between those two? (to Chezinu)
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So many promises being made.
If CA isn't mafia, I think you're gonna end up reneging on that offer. Can't tell if the Ace one is real or not.
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Defend geript +1, in my mind either me or onegu?
On July 18 2013 03:21 Ace wrote:
can you explain why you are even throwing my name out for a lynch
Still alive/almost entirely apathetic/name not nearly as fun to type as CaucasianAsian
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Chez, why were onegu and CA the two options you chose between?
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On July 18 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
5) ???--> Onegu - I think this one could be stopped. I have no doubts this one is real. It *COULD* be a gambit to get Oats to waste his protection but seems really unlikely---the needs for scum to 'make plays' like this at this point in the game is close to nil. I don't think there's any chance of a gambit here. IMO this is scum nuking a townie or 3P nuking someone he thinks is scum.
If this were 3P shooting at scum, I would THINK that they would have some target higher on a list of scumreads than onegu, and aren't just taking a chance.
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I'm in for like...20ish minutes and then I need to run until shortly before deadline. Happy to give any reads, happy to chat about most anything for a bit, but not exactly feeling like I've got a giant handle on the game. Someone shoulda nuked me on a day where I really had time to get into the game.
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On July 18 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
What do you suggest Austin? If I had a defense, I'd work defenses out with the other player to be on geript + 1 other, onegu or I.
We're past the nuke deadline, so there's no risk in defending someone and having them get nuked again, therefore it's just about defending the people we think are most likely to be town/most likely to have been shot by scum.
Out of that bunch, maju has been under suspicion/getting called scum for days now and has chosen to do nothing to change that read. Besides all the stuff that led to the scumread on him, his play makes it look like he just gave up after getting under suspicion. Because it's HIS nuke on geript (and because geript has one of the defenses and I assume is self-invested), I think geript is a fine defense. The nuker is as important as the nukee in that case.
Of the other folks getting nuked, CA, even if he's town, isn't worth saving at this point. Chez, even if he's town, isn't worth saving. I'm used to chez both trolling AND posting reads, which are crazy spot-on. This game, it's been a lot of absence, not a lot of trolling, but also very little substantive working through the lists I normally see him post. I think he's a very valuable asset if town, worth saving over Onegu or I, but I'm not confidant enough in his towniness to want to see him saved. If he flips scum, it also doesn't look good for Ace, given Chezinu's reluctance to nuke him or even really actually CONSIDER nuking him.
So that leaves me with myself and Onegu. I know I'm town, so I'd like me saved. I THINK Onegu is town, and the fact that he's been targeted with the silent nuke reinforces that read. Again, silent nuke, so either this is scum or 3P shooting. If scum, they're not shooting scum. If 3P, why shoot onegu? So it's more likely, imo, that it's a scum nuke on a townie. Let alone the fact that Onegu has been reasonably townie all game, and the fact that I still think snb is mafia, getting rid of one of the marks against Onegu which is "maybe all immune ones not just town."
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Lynching maju solid, would suggest moving on to Ace or snb. Honestly, the lynch yesterday sucked and I wish CA were more involved, but at this point MOST of the heavy lurkers are gonna be dead. That's a plus for town, although it comes late.
We can't have country leader claims, as we saw technicians flip from assorted countries and be different alignments.
Stutters's role PM needs to be scrutinized some more, especially in light of any flips tonight. That whole any kind of nuke, and the fact that Z-BosoN flipped with specific types of nukes in his role PM, looks bad. For reference - You are a Bunker Owner! You've seen a cold wars in your time and you realized it's better to be safe than sorry. You're immune to all but American and Radiation nukes. I don't like that HIS role PM spells out certain kinds of nukes, whereas stutters doesn't. It always looked weird in stutters's PM, but Z-BosoN's shows that, at least in some cases, specific types are mentioned.
I know geript has done some questionable stuff, but he wouldn't be at the top of my scumread list or my kill list. A lot of that, however, is based on the MG nuke today. Even if they're both scum and geript just burning a defense, ... WHY. SO MANY NUKES JUST NUKE TOWNIES AND TRY TO WIN. It doesn't make sense for scum to be sneaky sneaky sneaky when they're out so far ahead.
Also, haven't had time, unsure if will have time, but dead dude filters/suspicions need another look. Maybe rayn, definitely xatalos, possibly the kills last night. Rayn makes more sense as a NK to me than last night's kills, because rayn actually looked very townie to me after his "plan." I disagreed with the reads he drew from it, but the PLAN and his actions were townie. So...maybe he was killed for that, but maybe for reads. As far as last night, i THOUGHT it might indicate that scum was trying to kill the 3P, aiming at Z-BosoN who had been tossed around as a candidate. The VA kill I don't know jack about and was very very unexpected to me both in flip and targetting. Possibly just to push me as a lynch, but that seems kind of egotistical and I think they can push for my mislynch any day without having to kill VA (plus keeping VA alive would help do that, so...not a me-based NK, unsure why though).
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On July 18 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm leaving it up to Geript to save himself. I'm not saving him because I don't trust him.
Oats fucked up his save on Chezinu so I'm not sure what to do about that, and it honestly worries me because I don't believe both him and Geript are both town with the same role.
TBH the nuke I'm most likely to affect is the one against Onegu. The question is, what to do with it. Oh. Gotcha.
I wish Oats either hadn't saved some townies or looked way townier. I was really on his case D2, he was SO FRIGGIN SCUMMY by not reading thread, not even understanding where his reads had been. Saving...ace? Wait...ugh. Oats saved ace D2 right? Geript on jampidampi, oats on ace. I don't even know that we can trust him to actually defend a nuke.
Blerg. If you can act, I wouldn't redirect at MG. I wouldn't redirect at stutters IN CASE he's 3P and mafia needs to kill him (this OP more vague than the last game). I'd redirect either myself or Onegu towards snb or ace. If ace flips scum, Oats looks quite bad off the top of my head, but would need to reread the last few days. I don't think I've seem him really affect the game or try to though, but I may just be misremembering because I'll admit to getting caught up in snb/VA/trying to defend self.
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Out for like...an hour or so. Just not great timing, but I'll keep thinking about this and be back with some final thoughts and ramblings.
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On July 18 2013 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's the problem.
Since Oats hasn't used his defense he can come back with last minute shennanies now and fuck with me.
At least I know Geript can't do that.
Oats---if you do this it is as good as a scumclaim in my eyes, just so you know.
I just really hope that whatever I do I don't fuck up AGAIN---I've got a dead medic (though a saved MZ?) on my hands and a last-minute redirect onto a scummy-but-town Gumshoe. This is a solid point but...I don't even know if it matters whether people are claiming scum today or not, with this many nukes.
Whatever. I saved DI who I thought was kinda of scummy to lynch ON, then wanted to lynch jampi over MG.
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On July 18 2013 05:00 johnnywup wrote:
@austin I think last nights kills were scum taunting us. "You think z-boson is 3p? you think VA might be scum? ahahaha"
at least thats what it seemed like to me when I read the day post :| If scum is willing to go with odd NKs just for the lulz, then we're incredibly boned already. I'd rather assume we're not in THAT deep a hole.
Another possible option is that, given we've had a number of people claim and a number of people not (and assuming some of the unclaimed are scum), scum wanted to clear out unknowns. Rayn doesn't really fit that category, but Z-BosoN might.
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