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On May 18 2013 04:48 slOosh wrote: His whole filter supports his playstyle mentality -> consistency. That's not an opinion. That's an observation. WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEAN?!?!? | ||
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On May 18 2013 04:42 HiroPro wrote: i'm not really going to defend myself beyond this as I have limited time and we need a correct lynch today, so I'd rather spend my time thinking about who to lynch. the one-liners that viscera has a problem with: I pointed out shirokami because I thought he was going unnoticed, he was reasonably active but hadn't said a single thing that I would consider useful or particularly alignment-indicative and almost no one had mentioned his name. essentially, he was hiding in plain sight. viscera's push on vayne struck me as odd at that point since he hadn't really offered up much of a reason to vote for vayne and was the only person voting for vayne yet somehow still wasn't willing to change targets. I asked strongandbig what he thought about lynching obviousone since we needed more people in order to get a lynch and he hadn't said anything about him. the point about town/scum brushing off points against them. I'm not talking about someone ignoring something said about them, I'm well aware that townies often do this. What struck me as odd about obviousone was that he seemed slightly nervous when people said things about him and made it a point to try to turn it into a joke (which I felt also seemed kind of forced), but didn't actually do anything to assuage those concerns. Generally speaking, I would expect most town players to either outright ignore something or try to respond meaningfully. the post I made about vivax: I never said that I found vivax suspicious for "provided his own reasoning for being on WoS, and it's a perfectly townie response to think that people who agree with you are town.". What I found odd was that vivax's major reason for voting for WaveOfShadow wasn't that he came to the conclusion on his own: it was that BH was confident in WoS being mafia (and Vivax never indicated much of a town read on BH and instead seemed to imply that his read on BH would depend on what WoS flipped). to be perfectly honest, I don't actually see why people think that Viscera is town all of a sudden. I don't think any of the posts he's made since are particularly townie; they just simply show that he's devoting a little more time into the game than before. But I'm more interested in lynching someone else anyway, so it doesn't really matter too much. I'll try to explain in my next post why you should lynch this person. Your post-hoc explanations are meaningless. My whole point was that you were accusing OO of things that you're guilty of yourself, indicating inherent guilt. And frankly your complete about-face on OO only serves to support that notion. I can see very little town motivation for the way you're playing. And you've been pushing and supporting my lynch all day. But you think I'm still suspicious but you DON'T actually want to lynch me today? Hammer plx. We done hur. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:05 slOosh wrote: Scum are more likely to flip-flop and take disparate / contradictory stances over time as they have a personal interest in not bringing unwanted suspicion / attention on teammates. For him to be consistent and scum means that town is so lost that he can freely give his votes away without fear of it hitting a teammate from the start of the game - which I find to be on par with the "bus all my teammates, ride town cred into victory" strategy. Okay - and again, we haven't flipped a scum yet. You just made more observations without giving a conclusion in the slightest. Do you think he's town based on his consistency? Or do you think he's scum based on the apparent direction town is heading? That I've had to ask you this three times now....well it'd be an understatement to say that it surprises me. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:24 slOosh wrote: I think he is town and if he is scum he is playing for town. Is that clear enough? ...........yes. V....< | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I could see this as scum-in-the-death-throes WIFOM bomb. I'm not a fan of pre-flip associations but I don't see anything in here than precludes both Hiro and BH from being scum together. Whatever still not voting BH today. I will get to him. Be that as it may, I'm anxious to see how BH responds to this. | ||
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Talk to me about prplhz BH. | ||
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However, there ARE things that lead me to believe that prplhz is scum. On May 15 2013 07:17 prplhz wrote: I'm really fucking annoyed that one of my cases is getting ignored yet again. I don't really write huge ass cases but that doesn't really mean that the case is bad. My first hunches in my last couple of games have been quite right and I have a good feeling about HiroPro but people are just ignoring my case because it's not a dumb wall of text. On May 18 2013 06:11 prplhz wrote: @BlazingHand I know that you usually just spout nonsense but could you at least put something sensible together on my case instead of just saying that it's bad? Because that leads absolutely nowhere (and I don't really think it is bad). I need to sleep now but we absolutely need a lynch today, lynches are really important and we can't have scum kill three times in a row without us lynching a single person. For some reason kushm4sta isn't happening but I'm kinda fine with HiroPro too. ##Vote HiroPro So he's salty about no one paying attention to his case, but when someone else picks up the torch, all of a sudden he's "kinda fine with it"? It sounds like trying to distance himself from a bad lynch to me, but that means that Hiro is a bad lynch (being the wagon in question). Conversely, it could be that prplhz' read of Hiro has changed a la his responses to the wagon and his suspicion of BH. I find scumPrplhz more likely...but I'm not sure if that precludes HiroScum. Tell me why you think prplhz is scum. Or tell me why you think Hiro is town. Or tell me ANYTHING AND STOP BEING A USELESS LITTLE SHIT. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:15 Blazinghand wrote: ok so there's two big things about prplhz, but only one that I consider seriously a thing I'm lynching him for. First, and this is the important one, prplhz is pushing a lynch on kush that he MUST know is bad. he has stated repeatedly that he thinks kush is objectively scummy, but refuses to give a complete meta read on him. If presented with evidence that kush is ALWAYS objectively scummy, reasonably you'd back off, make a meta read, claim a red check, or state you want to lynch him for policy reasons. If you don't do any of these, you haven't actually demonstrated that kush is scum and not town. If you're not interested in doing any of these, then you are not interested in finding out if kush is scum or not. Basically, prplhz wants to lynch kush. Why? Well, prplhz claims it's because he thinks kush is scummy, but it's completely clear that nothing kush is doing this game is scummier than normal kush play. Prplhz says "well, he's more self-focused this game!" but doesn't give the evidence to show this as a legitimate meta read. He doesn't even say he wants to policy lynch kush. Why is he voting kush? Because he doesn't want to take part in the serious discourse/wagons (OO, WoS, and for some reason VE and HiroPro) and by voting kush he looks like he's doing something. It's completely clear what's going on here-- prplhz is opting out of the town discourse by voting kush. Okay well this is horseshit and isn't worth bucking the Hiro wagon over. I don't care what your read of Kush is, basing your read of prplhz off your "Hey kush is NULL bitch!" feels does nothing to sway me off Hiro. Keep in mind that adding a new wagon now is a suspicious move regardless of your target anyway - we nolynched after a N0 start with NKs...we're fucking screwed if we nolynch again imo, and that's what this looks like to me. Redeem thyself in mine eyes...or I swear to God I'll scream in this thread until every Hiro voter is on YOU instead. @OO If you want to limit scum between WoS and BH, I'd say BH more likely to flip scum than WoS. This is epic level bad right here and BH isn't bad like this. He's bad in other ways, but.....not like this. Tell me why you think WoS is a better target. | ||
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Grush got the hookup on the unvote too, and I've got to flip back and forth between this and work for a while. People I want to hear from BEFORE the flip:
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 You should go back and look at what I wrote about BH. | ||
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