On August 26 2012 10:24 Solarsail wrote:
1. If there is absolutely no way that Z-Boson could have roleblocked me as a night action without me recieving notification about it, he is definitely lying and hence definitely scum.
2. Thus either I or him are scum
3. I am prepared to be lynched in order to implicate Z-Boson and will self-vote to do so if necessary.

If anyone knows of a way (I would be not have been informed) AND (Z-boson is not lying) please inform me as that is essential to my plan.

No. It is impossible. Either you or Z-Boson is lying. And here is what I propose. If we have a roleblocker or jailkeeper. RB Z - BOSON if their is no NK we lynch Z-Boson if their is we lynch Solar.

DarthPunk

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August 26 2012 07:48 GMT

#1075

LOL GK. You jailed me twice and I would have got a red check on YH night one.

DarthPunk

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August 26 2012 07:51 GMT

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On August 26 2012 16:10 goodkarma wrote:
And btw, the call to role-block Z-Boson.:

I deliberately jailed Golbat instead after saying that

. I felt pretty clever at that moment

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Meta rock-paper-scissors lol.

Yeah I totally saw this. I was almost going to say something about it to obvious when he didn't want to lynch golbat. But I thought better of it. If you read my coaching thread I had a Solar, Z-boson, Your Harry team before YH flipped. But I got a red check on Golbat last night. <3

DarthPunk

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August 26 2012 09:16 GMT

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Highly speculative WIFOM point 1) My understanding is that neither the target nor myself is notified of a roleblock. So after night one when he claimed RB I thought it was mafia's doing. However, after night 2 he also claimed RB. As I understand it, this is only his second game, so it is entirely possible that he hasn't carefully read the differences in how RB-ing works and is in fact a blue. More specifically, a cop that isn't getting his night checks returned to him. This is highly speculative, and I feel DarthPunk is an intelligent player, and would have a good enough grasp on game mechanics to only claim RB if it was clearly from a RB-er. Honestly, I'm not exactly sure why I bring this up as I feel this is highly unlikely.

From GK coaching QT. It seems as if because my Night action was blocked I got a role-block notification. The exact words were 'You were roleblocked'

DarthPunk

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August 26 2012 09:32 GMT

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On August 26 2012 18:27 goodkarma wrote:

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Yeah... The wording on my role PM confused me a bit. I spent half the game thinking my jail target wasn't notified of being role-blocked lol.

<3 Thanks GK by the way. You carried us big time. HAHA.

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August 26 2012 09:37 GMT

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On August 26 2012 18:33 Obvious.660 wrote:
Okay my fellow players. Post-game question for you who were suspicious of Ochrow and wanted me to explain his play. Now that we have no pretenses, what kinds of things were you looking for? I honestly, laden with the curse of knowing his role, read it all as bad town (quite clearly I was almost as bad as him at the role). I'd love to sub in again, but what kinds of things specifically were you looking for? Was it just willingness to analyze his filter and figure it out for you? I certainly didn't feel like that would do much good, since I wasn't the one interacting with him. Any input from those questioning me would be appreciated, I want to try this social experiment again sometime.

I thought it was pretty clear you were town to be honest and the way you went about not trying to prove yourself but actually participate was good. I think we all could have been more active (apart from GK) but otherwise I felt that you were town. This also could have been to do with the fact that after the Thrawn flip. I realised how retarded associative cases could be and the main case against Ochrow was associative. The other aspect of the case against you was that Ochrow and Thrawn shared a QT. That was invalid as soon as thrawn flipped green and I am glad GK dropped the case gainst you in the end.

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August 27 2012 03:29 GMT

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On August 26 2012 18:35 Stutters695 wrote:
@GK & DP Well played, sorry for arguing with you so much towards the end. Clearly I need to work on recognizing blue roles because at most I had one of you as a JK. From a noob VT perspective lynching Golbat did seem like a shitty decision without the last RB coming in to verify his lynches. Rum and hindsight give me 20/20 so in retrospect I should have realized that given how adamant you guys were and my town read on you that you probably knew something I didn't instead of trying to come up with ways that you could be wrong. After the Thrawn mislynch though I was scared you guys were leading the town into another Thrawn type lynch where a "feeling" was going to trump getting the maximum amount of information for town. I feel like I should have argued for a YH lynch much stronger on D2 instead of just saying "hey, here's why lynching Thrawn is bad. Brb you guys decide." That was definitely a mistake.

Except we both voted against thrawns lynch in the end. Give us credit where it is due. And to be honest even though I read in the QT that my argument against thrawn was drivel (lol <3) he did seem scummy as hell by association with YH day one and night one. But in the end we did not vote for him and I even voted for Harry so I think it should have been obvious that we both had the best interests of town at heart. That being said, after thrawn flipped town when I was so sure he was scum my confidence in my own reads plummeted and I was sure we had lost. Thanks to BH <3 <3 <3 and GK <3 <3 <3 they pulled me through when I was sure all hope was lost.

DarthPunk

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August 27 2012 08:31 GMT

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On August 27 2012 16:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't know why you guys wouldn't believe my vig claim.... a lot of the case against me was because of how I was pointing at archrun the whole game... yet you thought me being vig and shooting archrun was unreasonable. there was also the possibilty of an sk but that's something you could have figured out by waiting

You had no breadcrumbs, You seemed scummy as hell, your claim was weak in that it was not clear and the Archun flip made you look really bad. It was of my opinion that your claim was a desperate scum looking to hide after the real vig had shot archun. And you clai was so bad that the real vig did not see the point in counter claiming and was instead being vocal about you being lynched. At the end I was worried that there had been no counterclaim and that you may have been telling the truth and thus I went for YH instead.

DarthPunk

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August 27 2012 08:57 GMT

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On August 27 2012 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:

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i considered breadcrumbing and even pm'd marv asking if it was allowed but for some reason i did not follow through. oh well first game... what ya gonna do

If you are ever going to claim you should leave some breadcrumbs or at least say that you shot Archun 1 min before the day post.

I didn't leave any breadcrumbs either though. but I was never going to claim cop. This might have been a mistake in hindsight. But even when I was being retarded and wanted a mass claim I was just gonna claim VT.

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August 27 2012 10:33 GMT

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Yeah the lack of a counter claim was why I was against a Thrawn lynch on day 2. In fact only two townies voted for Thrawn. Obvious, who replaced in so didn't have time and I assumed jump on the leading wagon and Solar. I think the biggest contribution to his mislynch was the fact that the town vote was split (GK voting for Jhyut over YH) and that both GK and myself did not push our Lynches harder. Particularly myself as I had 3 votes on Harry at that point.