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First, I am almost certain that there are multiple mafia posting against each other. Compare day 1 and day 2 posts. We have 1 lynch. Remember that guys. A terrible thing would be using all our attention and focus on trying to find all the mafia rather than killing the mafia we have already found. On January 28 2012 17:35 Simberto wrote: Just one thing i wanted to say: DoYouHas claiming having been shot at does not make him 100% town, even without a counterclaim. It could be a mafia ploy to get someone 100% trusted by not shooting at all. I don't think that this is what happened (it sounds pretty far-fetched), but one should still keep the possibility at the back of ones head. Anyway, will be gone for some hours, but when i am back i will take a look at the new stuff that happened more closely, and hopefully also at DoYouHases analysis of Zarepath, which i am really interested in as he is still the next best thing to a confirmed townie we have at the moment. I suggest throwing that possibility out since DoYouHas never had any suspicion on him and it makes no sense for mafia to waste a shot to enforce that. But to my main point: So check this out. DoYouHas claimed to be hit last night. Ok. So why would mafia shoot him? Why not me or Simberto, the people who most people had a town read on? Here's an observation of day 1, with a focus on slOosh(me), DoYouHas and Zarepath. I will ignore other stuff. (No need to open the links, just references if you need reminding) - I push for Zarepath Lynch - Zarepath defends himself - I continue the push, as I am still suspicious - Zarepath defends himself again - I back off to pressure lurkers Now look at DoYouHas. Look at the voting thread and see where his vote lies. It is on Zarepath along with me and FakePromise and CosmoXAM. He still holds a suspicion against Zarepath before the day lynch, whereas I do not (at least openly). On January 28 2012 16:23 DoYouHas wrote: First, I went after zelblade (after sl0osh did). I have not changed my stance on him, his first posts were scummy and his absence did not help. However he has promised to be much more active today so I am at least willing to see his new posts before condemning him. Conclusion: Mafia target the only one still suspicious of Zarepath. They have so much to gain from it that it makes sense that they would shoot him, and not me or Simberto. With all the attention on us two, it is more probable that any medic attention (if it existed) would not be on him. By killing him there is no one left to suspect Zarepath, who has established himself as an active person in the least, and I suspect the general notion of him being town will pervade our minds. No one has counterclaimed. DoYouHas was shot. With great analysis (which he probably started before the day ended) he attacks Zarepath. The night action makes sense. This is enough for me. A second party look at the situation helps me see much more clearer how suspicious Zarepath is, and there is great harmony with this and the night action. ##Vote Zarepath | ||
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That means there are 8 of us. 5. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch Rules. Majority = number of total voters/2 (rounded down) + 1. Unlike in traditional majority lynch, the lynch is NOT decided the moment that majority is reached. Instead, only the final vote count matters. If there is no majority at the deadline, the day ends with a no-lynch. Non-voters will be modkilled for failure to vote We need 7 to lynch. We must not be divided. We need to unite and lynch. Right now those on Sacred, please consider the analysis by DoYouHas and me, and move your votes to Zarepath. I'm also very suspicious on Sacred, but like I said we only have 1 lynch to make. If they are both mafia, then Zarepath is a better lynch as he has more presence and credibility (relative to Sacred). So unless you think Zarepath isn't mafia, people move your votes. Worst thing to have is a no-lynch as the lynch is the primary means of killing mafia. We don't have 4 vigi shots. If we want to win we need to use lynches to kill mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2012 12:47 zelblade wrote: As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia. Then could I ask you to switch your vote onto Zarepath? We already have 5 on Zarepath and only 2 on Sacred, and we absolutely want to avoid splitting votes between two mafia. | ||
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On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote: Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him. This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him. Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote. There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches. I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia. I think his team did abandon him. And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis. So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this). If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath. | ||
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Next up we should take out zelblade. Only reason why he isn't dead yet is because we focused and killed zarepath. I don't even have to post analysis or anything as it's been done well enough before, just pushed aside b/c zarepath lynch. slOosh post (day 1) DoYouHas post (day 1) Bromancipate post (day 2) On January 28 2012 17:24 zelblade wrote: You claim that zarepath never contributed any analysis. But what sort of analysis have YOU provided? Looking through your filter, all your attacks are flimsy. Then you got this business where he attacks SS with that slight defense of Zarepath. We get him next lynch OKOK? On a more serious note I think we as town should now focus on who the fourth mafia could be. We have this night, the next day (lynch zelblade) , the next night and the day after to lynch the final mafia (incorporating Midnight's vigi shot). That is a nice 6 days but doesn't hurt to start now eh? | ||
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On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote: Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him. Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS. On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote: I think his team did abandon him. And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis. So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this). If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath. On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote: Nice lynch :D Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch. As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed. Remember to $$Vote Zelblade | ||
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On January 30 2012 13:31 Adam4167 wrote: Well now I look like a complete tool, thanks for that zarepath. I approve of that vig shot. I wouldn't have announced it in thread though, as they may have been hiding their role-blocker, as in the last newbie game. Could you provide a link to game? Did they like, withhold the roleblock powers day 1? In either case I doubt that Midnight would fakeclaim vigi, shoot in public against someone who everyone is fine with getting shot, and so in the event balt11t isn't dead we can just kill him with lynch later? I guess it buys mafia an additional day but that has potential to give us additional cop investigations (if we have one I dunno) and more time to find the last mafia. | ||
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If anything could you put it on Zelblade? I know some people mentioned that they don't think SacredSystem is scum. Like in the case of zarepath before, I would really like us to lynch one mafia at a time. I think we all agree zelblade is scum, and so as to avoid division and a no-lynch can we go for zelblade? In the meantime we can discuss SS since we have the time. | ||
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On January 30 2012 22:11 zelblade wrote: I wasnt trying to establish that zarepath didnt attack SS. That post was really goddammed wierd, and I couldnt understand it, and I believed that he might be confusing me and zarepath, and I just asked him to clarify.(which he did) Really dont see how clarifying about a confusing post that confused me is scummy. When i posted this post, I was in a rush to go out and didnt have time to read through the thread properly. Only skimmed through the posts after the day post before typing that before going out. I didnt actually see that you had already posted that. Clarifying a confusing post is fine. It's the manner in which you did it that is strange. I don't see how that second sentence "I am the one that attacked you, not him" is necessary. All it does is try to clear Zarepath of suspicion (from Sacred at least) And with your post that was "written in haste": Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. That's a pretty big logical jump you made there. Premise: Almost everyone voted Zarepath. Conclusion. Mafia have little to no thread presence. Its too big to be an oversight caused to due hastiness. This oversight is because you are working off already existing ideas (namely mine) and thus felt no need to explain your thinking process. Anyways I am dead set against you and you will be next up for lynch. Day 1 info was good enough for me to lynch you and this new stuff isn't clearing you at all. Remember guys $$Vote Zelblade | ||
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On January 30 2012 14:30 Bromancipate wrote: Woohoo! A red lynch! Congrats guys, I wish I could have helped but my contribution for the next lynch is below. Nice Vig shot by MG there. Not surprisingly I agree with Adam that it would have been better to claim near the day break but hopefully mafia cannot roleblock you. Alright, business time. Here are my reads. Town
Now to the important stuff SCUM SacredSystem Before I begin I would like to thank Adam in particular for providing a nice case on SS. This is by no means merely a copy of that, but I feel it appropriate to give credit where it is due. SS may not be a controversial target, but he has been vocal. My biggest concern with SS is his inconsistency and contradictory style. I am trying to avoid PBPA as I find them too long to read and prone to comfirmatory bias. Here is my summary of the filter of SacredSystem. He starts off by pointing out why random lynching is a bad idea and targets both Fake and Zare for supporting the idea. Then he straight up votes Fake promise. Fine you have to choose I have no problem with that. But when Cosmos points out that he goes from general suspicion to voting after the MG vote he blasts Cosmos with He doesn’t refute what Cosmos was saying, he merely deflects it with a nice OMGUS. He doesn’t even try to explain what is wrong with what Cosmos says merely that he is making assumptions. Well, SS made the assumption that because Fake supported random lynching even with a 30% success rate he must be mafia. Balt pushes him further to explain and he asks “is fakepromise agreeing with a 30% success rate not logic enough for you”. Which is fine except that the reason SS gave was … Nothing. He was suspicious of Fake for the 30% thing but he never stated that was his reason for voting for him. Then he backtracks by stating This is daming for me. He is now taking back his reason for voting for Fakepromise. He has not explicitly stated his reasoning and when called out for it backtracks but doesn’t remove his vote. Then when zarepath (I know he was mafia but he was right) states “who's probably just a townie with bad arguments.” he flat out states that Fake IS mafia. He has provided no reasoning for his vote but is 100% certain that Fake was mafia. Why the change? Well others had started voting for Fake so he could keep pushing that wagon and get one of us lynched. Well this is all very suspicious but how does it fit with a mafia plan? Simple really, SS knew that Zarepath was mafia and knew that Fake was town. The random lynch thing was a nice way to cast suspicion on the townie proposing the idea and push for his lynch. He was being deliberately oblique and when called out for it, waves away the questions. He never actually stated his reasoning for his vote so he didn’t have to defend his logic. Then when others joined the wagon he could sit back and let MG and the rest of us push it along. But Brothers, what of Zarepath? SS made a lovely first post after the lynch. He doesn’t state anything about his decision to supply zero reasoning for lynching a townie, or to go after the other person who was supporting a random lynch, no instead he states Aside from the obvious WIFOM, huh? According to my reading Fake was mafia because he was in support of random lynching despite the odds. If that is the case why would you assume that the guy who proposed the idea is not mafia? Then he attacks zelblade for apologizing and not sufficiently proving his innocence. linky How is that mafia motivated? Maybe, just maybe, he actually is new and is having trouble proving his innocence. How have you proved your innocence? By no reason voting for a townie? Then he jumps on Chocolate for quietly suggesting that SS is mafia because he is being deliberately vague (ring a bell anyone?) and he attacks him for it. A townie would ask what was unclear and explain it. A mafia would deflect with a nice OMGUS. Now Chocolate’s post was weak, but the response from SS was typical mafia smokescreen. Then he goes back to zelblade being a noob and now Chocolate is mafia. His reason for Chocolate being mafia “now i think chocolate is mafia because hes labeling me as mafia and using confusing posts as his means of convincing everyone, even though he said my posts were concise, which points out a clear contridiction on chocolates logic”. No my friend, it does not. Your posts can be concise but provide no analysis, no clarity and be obvious attempts to deflect suspicion. In fact, it is probably easier if you don’t say much. Then Adam rightly calls out SS and he responds with this beauty Contrast this with his earlier post I will go on if people want me to but I am aware that this is becoming a wall of text. TLDR SacredSystem is mafia because he has been deliberately oblique and refuses to be clear about his reasons for voting for people. He has been contradictory throwing suspicion around with no analysis to back it up. When he has been called out for this he has responded with anger and not with explanation. ##Vote SacredSystem /Probulous I found a 4th mafia candidate guys!!! Notice the word candidate: I invite you guys to look at him with me. Here are some reasons why he warrants a much closer look. 1) In his town reads, DoYouHas is missing. The guy who claimed he was shot, and moved to lynch the mafia. What kind of oversight is this? 2) He is one of the late voters of Zarepath lynch. zarepath - 11 DoYouHas CosmosXAM slOosh SacredSystem MidnightGladius zelblade Chocolate Bromancipate Simberto Adam4167 balt11t On bandwagons against town, mafia want like the 2~6 voting spots. They don't want first since it puts them in spotlight and don't want to be last since it draws suspicion. On bandwagons against mafia, mafia want the spots a bit down the list. Maybe like 4~8. They don't want to take 2 or 3 since it can build momentum in the lynch, but when it is clear that they can't save him they have to get on otherwise it is too suspicious. A bit late due to caution to the hop on me thinks. 3) Votes for SacredSystem. All I have been doing is making town focus votes, and I think I was very clear that I wanted zelblade next. I would be fine if he built his analysis of Sacred and suggested we go for him after zelblade but this almost seems like an interruption / distraction from the zelblade lynch. 4) I don't think SacredSystem is the 4th mafia. Say the mafia are Zarepath, zelblade, balt11t and SacredSystem. Watch the interactions between the zelblade and SacredSystem in the thread, especially after night 1 ended. This isn't bussing. Mafia aren't going to bus their remaining members. It doesn't make sense that sacred is the 4th. (This point is assuming zelblade and balt11t are mafia, but I think everyone concurs with me on this). This was actually the trigger for me. As soon as I saw that he thought it was SacredSystem I looked around and found these points. I know there are stronger analysts out there so I'm asking you guys to help me out here. | ||
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Further general readings: I looked into Bromancipate's analysis of SacredSystem a bit more. Looking at his actions it seems like he is a new player trying to prove his innocence and frustrated that he cannot. I'll take a piece from the analysis: How is that mafia motivated? Maybe, just maybe, he actually is new and is having trouble proving his innocence. How have you proved your innocence? By no reason voting for a townie? He did have a reason voting for a townie. It is very clear that he has problems with the 30% statement. Then he jumps on Chocolate for quietly suggesting that SS is mafia because he is being deliberately vague (ring a bell anyone?) and he attacks him for it. A townie would ask what was unclear and explain it. A mafia would deflect with a nice OMGUS. Now Chocolate’s post was weak, but the response from SS was typical mafia smokescreen. He lashes out quite passionately at Chocolate for suspecting him. Another "newbie" tell.I think I would say that a coolheaded townie would ask what was unclear and explain it. An OMGUS is not always a mafia tell, but is also natural in newbie games, especially when emotions get involved. Then he goes back to zelblade being a noob and now Chocolate is mafia. Yes he flip flops a lot, but he is very clear and transparent in his actions.Which leads me to the conclusion that he is indeed an innocent townie having difficulties and frustrations trying to prove his innocence. Also he is 4th in voting for Zarapath. You might say 'slOosh didn't you say mafia is like 4~8 or something'? The order isn't so important as the timing. He voted when it was still not clear that Zarapath would be lynched or not. Mafia would not add additional momentum on a mafia lynch wagon that is still uncertain. Along the same lines I get a town read from Cosmos. He voted for Zarepath day 1 (before my analysis) and day 2 (after getting backing of DoYouHas). Mafia don't start bandwagons against their own. Notice he is 1st to vote (on day 1) and 2nd to vote (on day 2). I feel like I'm posting a lot of info so I'll stop here and let others have their says. Remember guys, activity and discussion is always good for town (especially since there is much less mafia influence this is prime time for getting thoughts out without people trying to confuse or misdirect). TLDR: (last 3 posts) We lynching Zelblade tomorrow. We lynch any other suspects the next day. I think Sacred probably town. Same with Cosmos. Bromancipate is worth looking into as potential 4th mafia candidate. | ||
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On January 30 2012 14:45 Bromancipate wrote: I will take a closer look at zelblade. I am still trying to catch up on everyone's agenda here. SS just screamed mafia too me hence my case on him. I understand you wanting to consolidate lynch targets. My only caution is that this allows mafia to wagon the vote really easily. We had this in my last game where everyone (I mean everyone, including the lynch target himself) voted for Sheth. Now he turned out to be scum but the lynch gave us no info because there was no requirement to provide decent reasoning. So for now my target remains SacredScum but I will take a closer look at zelblade and come back to you. PS Jitsu is sleeping so I can't confirm what his thoughts were on zelblade. /Probulous Oh shoot my bad just re read this. It throws my #3 out the window. I forget to treat you like a hydra so I'm not sure who knows what. | ||
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On January 28 2012 12:13 Simberto wrote: Now, just in case that you are not sure how to react to this, since mafia already know whom they hit on, it would be really useful for us to know that too. Since both the medic and the target get notified on a safed hit, the best option is to have the targeted person say that they were safed. If you are a veteran and got safed by your veteran powers, ALSO state that you were safed by a medic, i think we gain more from mafia not knowing whether a medic exists than we would gain from knowing for ourselves. On January 28 2012 14:31 zelblade wrote: I am in the middle of school during the deadline, and as such cannot post close to it unlike you guys. As for not posting throughout the night, some crap came up and I couldnt find the time to catch up with the thread. Will be alot more active from now on. Catching up on the thread now, will post thoughts in a bit. Also I believe that since there was no kill last night, the person who got hit (protected by a medic/vet power) should claim that they were shot. Mafia already know who they shot anyways, and it does help to confirm you assuming no one couter claims the shot. Since town shouldnt in any case lie about this anyway, if no one counter claims the shot, we can assume that that person is very likely town. On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote: I think his team did abandon him. And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis. So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this). If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath. On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote: Nice lynch :D Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch. As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. Stuff like this makes me continue to think Zelblade is mafia. My leeway on SS is based upon my belief that Zelblade is indeed mafia (along with balt11t and Zarepath) and via their interactions with SS I don't see at all how SS could be mafia in that situation. On January 31 2012 08:33 Bromancipate wrote: You have hindsight bias here. Zarepath defended himself saying that his plan was just a ploy to generate discussion. People believed this or at least gave him benefit of doubt. We didn't know (100% upon flip) that Zarepath was mafia till day 2. On day 1, no one vocally suspected him until me, then a few others.So why push Fake first up? Why not zarepath? He was the one who proposed the idea. I don't like how he just happened to choose the townie of the two with reasoning that could explain a vote for the mafia. Especially that the mafia guy was the one who suggested random lynching. He doesn't even come straight out and say it. He never said "I am voting for Fakepromise because he supported random lynching even with a 30% success rate." It is one piece in the puzzle but it sets the tone. On January 31 2012 08:33 Bromancipate wrote: I cannot answer what motives he had, nor can anyone but him. He didn't choose a townie over mafia. He chose someone suspicious over someone else suspicious. With day 2 my point is that he voted before the wagon got going.Fourth. He pushed the lynch of Fakepromise because he was in support of an idea that Zarepath presented. Why did he not vote Zarepath first? He votes show that he chose a townie over a mafia when he had the exact same reason for voting for either of them. He only voted Zarepath when the wagon got going. /Probulous I'm not defending his actions, but I doubt his mafia alignment based on (what I think of) Zelblade's. If Zelblade flips town I would totally go for SS. I honestly thought he was mafia during night 1 when I pushed for town/mafia reads and he totally flipped out and started verbally flailing at Chocolate and doing all those things you pointed out. However my read on Zelblade as mafia is firm and therefore, I am treating SS as a really reckless townie unless Zelblade flips green. Summary: I am giving leeway to SS based on my belief that Zelblade is mafia. It is conditional leeway. Hypothetically if there was room for another mafia member on the team I would totally agree with you and move to lynch SS. However because there are only 4 and I cannot see how mafia team could be Zarepath, Zelblade, balt11t and SS, I am inclined to believe SS is just a confusing, anti-town townie (much like FakePromise). My read on Zelblade > My read on SacredSystem. | ||
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On January 31 2012 11:28 CosmosXAM wrote: I agree with you on pretty much everything slOosh except If you look on page 10 I was actually the first to suggest zarepath, you made your point on page 11, not trying to say anything I just wouldn't like to be forgotten about that. Shoot my bad. Yea, credit to where credit is due. | ||
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On January 31 2012 11:10 Chocolate wrote: I don't really like this. It seems pretty risky to let bad/scummy play go unpunished just because you don't think these two could both be mafia. Is it unlikely that they are both mafia? Yes. Is it possible? Who knows. I just think these are dangerous waters, because two players are "scummy" and yet you're only letting one actually be scum, when we still have two spots left (I'm pretty convinced balt is scum. We'll see.). I'm not "letting" one be scum. I think I made it clear in my response to Probulous that I think zelblade is much more likely to be mafia, and based off of his interactions with Sacred that it only makes sense that they are together 1 mafia and 1 town (opposed to 2 mafia). Also, since we have a full day afterwards (48 hours) I can take in the new night information and adjust my position accordingly. It isn't as if I declared my stance and I am unmovable in my thoughts. However, I do agree with you and others when we should throw caution into the wind. It just irks me when people are overly cautious to the point that it paralyses them from moving. As for my reads: DoYouHas: Claimed to get hit last night. Pushed forth our first mafia lynch. Unafraid to call out other townies on logical mistakes (such as mine and Simberto's). Desires more discussion and provides good analysis. MidnightGladius: Claiming a vigi shot publically along with clear analysis against a hard time lurker. Hoping for no roleblock as getting rid of balt11t is helpful as it reduces uncertainties. Simberto: Active, has provided new contributions (rather than always posting off of others) and has no fear of his votes getting potentially spotlighted (as he provides his reasoning every time he switches). Only thing weird about him is his WIFOMs, but I think this is because he is very, very cautious. (which I said above I don't like so I'd like to encourage him to speak with a little less fear) balt11t: MG's case sums it up. Zelblade: Look at my case before Bromanicipate's post and then my response to it. SacredSystem: In the off chance that Zelblade is green, I totally agree with Bromancipate & Adam's analysis. I would have gone for him if I didn't feel so strongly about Zelblade. Bromancipate: As stated before I forgot that he is a hydra that may have two differing opinions between the heads. I agree with the Jitsu head(?) but I'm confused how to treat them. Have to consider null until they get together, work it out and post a united viewpoint. Chocolate: Only talks about SS in his filter and then makes the statement On January 30 2012 02:19 Chocolate wrote: I'm voting for zarepath because he seems the most scummy out of everyone right now and because if we don't lynch today we'll be in a pretty bad position if mafia get a kill tonight. Worth looking out for. | ||
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On January 31 2012 11:49 Bromancipate wrote: Town Bromancipate DoYouHas - His aggression to SS and his logical analysis confirms his alignment for me. The shot is an added bonus. sl0osh Adam4167 - Explained previously MG - Claimed Vig and if Balt dies is pretty much confirmed. Null Zelblade - I can explain his actions from both a town or mafia POV so hence he is null. Jitsu is agrees with this. CosmosXAM - Hasn't posted a lot but his early pressure on Zarepath brings me back to null. He needs to be more active. Chocolate - Not much to go on. Did call out SS early but needs to post more. Simberto - Posts a lot but there are a lot of contradictions in what he says. I can provide more info if asked. Mafia SacredSystem balt11t, probably dead That leaves one mafia in our null list. We am more inclined to think that Zelbalde is town which leaves Cosmos, Chocolate and Simberto. Jitsu and Probu had a discussion earlier. Through the talkings, Probu urged me to read through Zelblade's filter again. I did. I see a lot of play reminiscent of a gentlemen by the name of CatsnHats, who I tunneled pretty much all game once and he turned out to be town. For right now, at least, we are going to keep it at a null read until we can make a more solid read during Day3. I see a lot of medicority. What do you think slOosh? Ah was writing up post when you posted that. Like I said, Simberto seems like overly cautious town. I agree with you on Chocolate that beside the SS thing he hasn't posted much more, same with Cosmos (who is slightly more town imo since his relation with Zarepath). If other people like DoYouHas and Adam think that Sacred is mafia more than Zelblade I will go with that since I trust in their logical 3rd party analysis (Adam was wrong on Zarepath but had good reasoning so it is town read) | ||
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