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On January 05 2017 04:18 MetalMercury wrote:
Who could be their long term support if YMT doesn't stick around?
There's like no good proven SEA supports still left, so you're either going to potentially find someone that is basically washed up (and is probably not Malaysian, otherwise why YMT), OR they might be importing a support from another region (Synderen from EU or something maybe)? There's always the possibility of like a player from somewhere like Entity.Esports or Fire Dragon Esports or something too I guess.
if they are going to get another support after esl, the most probable comditions are they already have found one and he coldnt come due to visa things or that player is in talks about contract and stuff with management . can't think of other reasons.
and yeah, some ETE players are pretty talented, like swifty . that guy was pretty good last time i watched. or they might have picked up someone from EU and he couldn't come in time and they registred and decided to go with this roster. initially, they gave offers to another player from TP.NND, inyourdream's old team. but that guy decided to stay in indonesia.It could also be NJ, who was in fnatic teamhouse few days ago with ohaiyo(another 7.2k mmr support player) and theyre just deciding whether to go with ymt or nj.
either way, this roster looks good on papaer, even with yamateh as a support. inyourdream is a raw talent with even more talent than midone, i think. he needs direction and coaching and he will surely evolve under mushi .
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On January 05 2017 12:24 Kamisamanachi wrote:
if they are going to get another support after esl, the most probable comditions are they already have found one and he coldnt come due to visa things or that player is in talks about contract and stuff with management . can't think of other reasons.
and yeah, some ETE players are pretty talented, like swifty . that guy was pretty good last time i watched. or they might have picked up someone from EU and he couldn't come in time and they registred and decided to go with this roster. initially, they gave offers to another player from TP.NND, inyourdream's old team. but that guy decided to stay in indonesia.It could also be NJ, who was in fnatic teamhouse few days ago with ohaiyo(another 7.2k mmr support player) and theyre just deciding whether to go with ymt or nj.
either way, this roster looks good on papaer, even with yamateh as a support. inyourdream is a raw talent with even more talent than midone, i think. he needs direction and coaching and he will surely evolve under mushi .
The other player from ex-IYD's team that u mentioned is Franceour. He's not from TP.NND, but from EVOS (the one that beat MVP.Phoenix on ESL Qualifier). He's teamed with IYD back then in a team called CIAT (Corgi In A Team).
He's 7.3k MMR Indonesian player who played as midlaner in EVOS but originally a support player. HisTeam (EVOS) just got 2 huge sponsorship from NVIDIA and GOJEK (Indonesia's biggest online service booking company), so maybe he wants to give something back to the sponsor first.
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They didn't look very good at ESL.
Pretty much the only player than didn't play terribly was Febby, Mushi did alright and so did IYD but Yamateh and especially Ohaiyo were fucking awful.
What happened Ohaiyo? You were a top 3 offlaner in the world from TI3 to TI4, but now you suck.
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On January 08 2017 03:51 MetalMercury wrote:
They didn't look very good at ESL.
Pretty much the only player than didn't play terribly was Febby, Mushi did alright and so did IYD but Yamateh and especially Ohaiyo were fucking awful.
What happened Ohaiyo? You were a top 3 offlaner in the world from TI3 to TI4, but now you suck.
With Mushi gradually becoming more and more passive in his play and no stable support duos, Ohaiyo has too many things to do. It's the whole "Universe on Secret" scenario all over again.
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I dont think ohaiyo played bad. it's just the team overall. they looked so unorganized. IYD was by far the worst player in that team.i dont see how anyone can see him did alright.bad game sense,no map awareness,he just looked clueless.that tinker game probably one of the worst tinker i've ever seen.Im just going to assumed its the combination of new team + nerves for now. Also yamateh made so many individual mistakes in that disruptor game.not surprised he's just a stand in
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On January 08 2017 06:42 Papercappu wrote:
I dont think ohaiyo played bad. it's just the team overall. they looked so unorganized. IYD was by far the worst player in that team.i dont see how anyone can see him did alright.bad game sense,no map awareness,he just looked clueless.that tinker game probably one of the worst tinker i've ever seen.Im just going to assumed its the combination of new team + nerves for now. Also yamateh made so many individual mistakes in that disruptor game.not surprised he's just a stand in
I think part of it is that I'm typically an offlane / support player, so those mistakes stick out more to me. IYD dying three times right after getting bloodstone was a pretty bad move too.
I don't know man; I love this team and I'll be a Mushi / Ohaiyo fangay until they die so I'll give them some time to get everything together. They certainly wouldn't beat XTCN, WG, or Faceless in their current form.
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On January 08 2017 08:52 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:42 Papercappu wrote:
I dont think ohaiyo played bad. it's just the team overall. they looked so unorganized. IYD was by far the worst player in that team.i dont see how anyone can see him did alright.bad game sense,no map awareness,he just looked clueless.that tinker game probably one of the worst tinker i've ever seen.Im just going to assumed its the combination of new team + nerves for now. Also yamateh made so many individual mistakes in that disruptor game.not surprised he's just a stand in I think part of it is that I'm typically an offlane / support player, so those mistakes stick out more to me. IYD dying three times right after getting bloodstone was a pretty bad move too. I don't know man; I love this team and I'll be a Mushi / Ohaiyo fangay until they die so I'll give them some time to get everything together. They certainly wouldn't beat XTCN, WG, or Faceless in their current form.
actually, IYD was either tilted hard or feared in front of such a huge crowd. the guy is basically playing his first match on tier 1 team and he directly lands into a LAN. he missed a permahex and was also lvl 17 at 50 mins because he tped everytime before lane creeps died due to fear of being dead. his laning phase against ursa+warlock was pretty good tho and he kept his farm and made some pretty decent early game descision. with more experience, the guy will definately shine.
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Fnatic didn't register a roster so they are going through the open qualifiers.
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Yeah the end result of this was super disappointing, but it's not like SEA doesn't have amazing teams to take to the qualifier already. I hope they can survive opens at least and make some noise in the qualifier itself.
Any hint or clue as to who the fifth player is going to be? Either they really didn't get their shit together after the last qualifier fiasco or they are having a hard time recruiting someone, or maybe they had a fifth that abandoned them for something else and they have to scramble to find someone?
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This guy will most probably play as a mid/carry tryout/standin player for tommorow's matches for fnatic. judging from his posts . 7.5k mmr player from malaysia. he might also be trolling.
no idea about another support.
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ADTR playing in today's matches does not inspire confidence; they only use him when they have no other choice and he's terrible.
They are playing OK today, but those games against TnC have been greatly disappointing. I can't say I'm too surprised, as TnC is probably the best team in SEA at the moment, but I was hoping they wouldn't make the stupid strategic mistakes they've made so far in game 1 and halfway through game 2.
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On January 19 2017 23:23 MetalMercury wrote:
ADTR playing in today's matches does not inspire confidence; they only use him when they have no other choice and he's terrible.
They are playing OK today, but those games against TnC have been greatly disappointing. I can't say I'm too surprised, as TnC is probably the best team in SEA at the moment, but I was hoping they wouldn't make the stupid strategic mistakes they've made so far in game 1 and halfway through game 2.
few things...ADTR drafted for all 4 games yesterday. they are also changing things internally. febby will do their shotcalling now and they are making mushi focus completely on his mechanical plays and skills in midlane without burdening him with any shotcalling or drafting things. he might need to draft in future, but the shotcalling things are being done by febby in most of early to mid game.
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Can anyone tell me why there are a lot of hates towards Mushi? He seems to have contributed so much in Dota. I've watched True Sight, but in my opinion he just wants his team mates to do their best.
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I mean, i see mushi being hated since manilla. They said MidOne was carrying Fnatic. And tbh i'm not seeing mushi impress me in a long time. Not saying he's bad tho.
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On January 25 2017 19:29 Pontual wrote:
I mean, i see mushi being hated since manilla. They said MidOne was carrying Fnatic. And tbh i'm not seeing mushi impress me in a long time. Not saying he's bad tho.
I think his former team-mates just mis-understood him. Or they have too much respect for Mushi, he is a great player. I just don't understand where all this hate coming from.
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His former team mates only said good things about him, and took the blame because they weren't able to play with confidence with mushi, raven said after winning wesg that they thought they were not worthy playing with him. About the hate, you really can't expect much from dota 2 community, we are naturally salty.
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On January 25 2017 20:03 Pontual wrote:
His former team mates only said good things about him, and took the blame because they weren't able to play with confidence with mushi, raven said after winning wesg that they thought they were not worthy playing with him. About the hate, you really can't expect much from dota 2 community, we are naturally salty.
I kinda agree with you on this. I think Raven just have too much respect on Mushi that he is too conscious not to disappoint him which makes him a little uneasy during their matches. When I watched True Sight, Raven is really affected when they lost a game and he is putting too much blame on himself that he is not worthy to be a team mate of Mushi. I think that is why they kinda left the team. I mean look at DJ, he actually adapted to Mushi for a while.
Also, there's really a communication issue. IMO
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Fnatic withdrew from DAC and was replaced by Next Generation from Vietnam; they might not even field a team for the major qualifier for Keiv at this rate...
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Yeah with mushi gone I don't see a roster being fielded for Kiev.
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I think Fnatic is definitely out. Mushi is playing for Mineski X. SEA qualifiers are going to be interesting.
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