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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
On July 17 2009 03:17 SuperArc wrote: you're saying if Effort beats JD he doesnt have a chance against Zero? :p No, I'm saying Zero has a chance to beat Effort but he doesn't really have a chance to beat Jaedong. I rate them Jaedong > Effort > Zero in ZvZ. | ||
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Ideas
United States8174 Posts
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
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Ideas
United States8174 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ. yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD | ||
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
On July 17 2009 06:38 Ideas wrote: I just remembered. Whoever beats Hwasin in the MSL almost always wins, so since Iris defeated him I have to assume he will win the MSL now. JD won against him in Arena and I can't think of any other recent examples except GOM S4 but that is an unfortunate coinincidence. | ||
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DeepGray
United States214 Posts
Lux had 2nd best ZvZ at the time. | ||
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Murdoink
Chile1219 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
umm luxury was actually a really good player before he hit his slump recently. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
There was a time were Luxury was decent. Not quite good... but decent enough ZvZ to be a threat. | ||
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Aurioch
United States414 Posts
I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On July 17 2009 08:38 Aurioch wrote: I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague i think you should read the post you're replying to more carefully. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 17 2009 08:38 Aurioch wrote: I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague I would say that you do not know how to read properly. He said AT THE TIME. Back during Luxury's MSL run he was 2nd best ZvZ... as much as I HATE to admit it because he sucked at everything else. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed. Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL. /facefalm  This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape. Since Fantasy and Bisu are teammates, they are use to each other's style so more likely they do unorthodox builds. Cheesu FTW  | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On July 17 2009 07:17 TwoStep wrote: JD won against him in Arena and I can't think of any other recent examples except GOM S4 but that is an unfortunate coinincidence. Actually. Hwasin loses to the person who is going to win the MSL or the reigning champion last time nearly all of the time. Examples here: Lost Saga Lux 2-1 Hwasin Clubday Bisu 2-0 Hwasin Arena Jaedong 3-1 Hwasin GOM 4 Flash 2-0 Hwasin <Anomaly Here GOM 3 Bisu 2-1 Hwasin GOM 2 Bisu 3-2 Hwasin GOM 1 Savior 3-2 Hwasin Its kind of a cool thing, but dont read too much to it as Hwasin has a 100% qualification rate to MSL ro16. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On July 17 2009 09:37 samachking wrote: Actually. Hwasin loses to the person who is going to win the MSL or the reigning champion last time nearly all of the time. Examples here: Lost Saga Lux 2-1 Hwasin Clubday Bisu 2-0 Hwasin Arena Jaedong 3-1 Hwasin GOM 4 Flash 2-0 Hwasin <Anomaly Here GOM 3 Bisu 2-1 Hwasin GOM 2 Bisu 3-2 Hwasin GOM 1 Savior 3-2 Hwasin Its kind of a cool thing, but dont read too much to it as Hwasin has a 100% qualification rate to MSL ro16. 100%? damn, Hwasin is a master of Bo1s... | ||
Flicky
England2674 Posts
On July 17 2009 08:53 [X]Ken_D wrote: /facefalm This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape. Did you not watch him in the last OSL vs Bisu and Jaedong? Also, there are about 4 or 5 S-class players. You don't really need S++. | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
JD look not that much tired? Bisu vs JD Bo5 Final would be awesome? | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On July 17 2009 08:38 Aurioch wrote: I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague learn to read..Lux had 2nd best at the time. You obviously are very new to this scene so you should hold your mouth when you try to make lux sound like his spot was never above effort's | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 17 2009 08:53 [X]Ken_D wrote: /facefalm This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape. Ouch, so  fantasy gets successfully cheesed for what seems like the first time this year and you pronounce him not a top player, significantly worse than Flash? Easy there, the last time fantasy faced another "S++ Class" (I thought S-class was exclusive...) player, it was in the OSL finals where he lost a thrilling series the  Jaedong, and before that, in the semis, he rolled  Bisu 3-0. Allow for some unpredictability in matches between teammates. I'm amazed at how people still take Flash's supremacy over terran, and starcraft in general as a given. This guy's only even been in one star-league final. He has the third best TvZ right now. His TvP is rivaled by fantasy's. Face it; Flash is no longer the world's undisputed terran champion. | ||
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