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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 23 2007 08:11 Tien wrote: Savior needs to take lessons from Jaedong about zvp. I haven't seen Savior use Sauron / Macro zerg is a long long time is Sauron / Macro zerg is incredibly efficient vs protoss. no he doesn't. Savior still has the best ZvP on the pro scene by miles. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5468 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On December 23 2007 04:56 Stegosaur wrote: Wait what? The next Zergmachine will be Firefist. You heard it here first! I predict Sea.Jy. I also think he's the real Savior's protegee, not Kwanro. The latter is too unstable. On the muta/scourge vs sair thing. It's not even in the sair number but in cannon number. 3 cannons are usually enough to fend off any kind of pura muta with splash support (sair/archon/storm). Both scenarios: Muta/scourge engage corsair. Suppose zerg's got good micro, then he engages in a way that sair AI targets mutas. It's very hard to target scourge since muta is attacking and scouge is not, so attack priorities are totally different. Sairs start to run. After that engagement, sairs are flying around and mutas are (abit wounded) fighting with the cannons. Scenario 1: Wounded mutas manage to deal with the cannons, sairs die. Toss is basically dead. Scenario 2: Wounded mutas can't deal with the cannons, fly away, scourge dies to cannons. Zerg lost unbelievable amounts of gas while toss lost a neglible amount of minerals and NO gas at all. And cannons do indeed follow a non-linear attack strength pattern vs muta just due to the fact that mutas have trouble switching targets. They are also much cheaper. 3,4,5 cannons pose a huge difference. What is also important is that Stork screwed up the initial handling of the attack, allowing mutas to freely kill the first cannon. It was misplaced anyway, imo, seeing spire, Stork should've added a link cannon from this one to his nexus. Subtle things decide PvZ and Stork doesn't know them apparently. When sairs are 5+, with proper grouping they are immune to scourge coming from one direction. But not to muta/scourge, once again, because of the AI. The true critical mass comes at around 10-12, when they are able to kill muta fast enough to be able to switch to scourge before the little buggers reach them. The bad thing for the zerg is that maintaining muta/scourge at higher numbers is a real bitch (and it's very difficult to clone scourge) and it costs SO much gas that it's 100% do or die. Jaedong's timing and execution was perfect, I really want him to meet Bisu. I mean, he was not really that expected to win those series (but, as always, the select few including me just knew better), but look at him now - he's the unrivaled master of both ZvZ and ZvT and he just proved that he can have a stellar ZvP as well. Basically, killing Bisu is the only thing he needs to do at this moment to claim his standing as the official powerouse of progaming. Stork, on the other hand, doesn't qualify for that. He hasn't shown good PvZ exactly anywhere while Bisu had killed a lot of terrans lately. What worries me about Stork's play is not his control and execution, he was dominated, he didn't really fail at executing his gameplan, he didn't have a winning gameplan at the first place. Imo. | ||
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Sawajiri
Austria417 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Sawajiri
Austria417 Posts
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kabumpo
25 Posts
On December 23 2007 15:17 lilsusie wrote: affla! you couldnt get a cuter picture - haha i hate how i look in that pic. =/ This is our LilSusie, sexy by the teamliquid.net love sign ![[image loading]](http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3147/jaedong3005486225145iz7.jpg) | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On December 23 2007 07:53 Last Romantic wrote: but come on! Rock is the Future of Protoss! The face of Protoss've never been that beautiful! | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On December 23 2007 07:53 Last Romantic wrote: but come on! Rock is the Future of Protoss! hahah YEAH ROCK GO | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On December 23 2007 07:01 ssj100 wrote: I don't understand why people even expected Stork to win. Jaedong is probably the greatest player we might ever see. His girlfriend and his value of other things in life might hinder his results though. I think people are starting to forget how unstoppable and "HOLY SHIT MAPHAX" savior used to be in 2006. GO WATCH THE VODS | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On December 23 2007 08:11 Tien wrote: Savior needs to take lessons from Jaedong about zvp. I haven't seen Savior use Sauron / Macro zerg is a long long time is Sauron / Macro zerg is incredibly efficient vs protoss. savior mass mutas, mass expand is an example imo of sauron. though I can never pull it off on b.net | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Game 1 was bleh, game 2 WTF? game 3 That is many hydra yes? game 4 Is this Savior playing? Im sorry, but Stork looked absolutely helpless the games he lost, and the one he won was Jaedong losing not Stork winning. The "harass" failed miserably. Its strange that the gap between Storks PvP/PvT and his PvZ can be so big. I think Jaedong showed very nice play the last two games, and I loved his burrows all over in game 3. Pretty bad final games overall, onesided as hell, but Jaedong surely is a deserving champion, and also an incredible good player. LOYAL LOADULU! | ||
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PGS.Marine
Poland303 Posts
She is worth 4 Testies. ![[image loading]](http://i18.tinypic.com/4y7z8ex.jpg) | ||
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
On December 24 2007 09:04 PGS.Marine wrote: She is worth 4 Testies. Get the fuck out of here until you get a real rating system. | ||
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PGS.Marine
Poland303 Posts
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SuN-TzU
United States213 Posts
On December 24 2007 09:16 crazie-penguin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 24 2007 09:04 PGS.Marine wrote: She is worth 4 Testies. Get the fuck out of here until you get a real rating system. wtf? where's the holiday season love? christmas  | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 25 2007 05:27 PGS.Marine wrote: i think you dont know what actually is a "real rating system" dumbass Cue retarded argument. | ||
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PGS.Marine
Poland303 Posts
On December 25 2007 05:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Cue retarded argument. i can't reply to this because of the "Do not feed the troll" policy which I have signed earlier. | ||
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