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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 07 2005 07:11 GMT
#1
what is the safest opening zvp against a hard 9/10 gate rush? especially on vertical or horizontal positions? is it possible to defend a 12 hatch expo/11 pool against zlots+1 or 2 probes with speedlings and micro? or would it be better to 12 hatch in main and 3rd hatch at expo?
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
nullmind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
1303 Posts
October 07 2005 07:34 GMT
#2
On October 07 2005 16:11 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
what is the safest opening zvp against a hard 9/10 gate rush?


9 pool is the safest but it's not best economically. If you are worried about 9/10 gate, try 12 pool or in base hatch.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
October 07 2005 08:01 GMT
#3
First advice: don't listen to nullmind

Second advice: always go 12 pool on nostalgia vs protoss. That will keep you safe from either 9/10 gate or fast cannon with a follow up fast expand by protoss if his fast cannon fails.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
October 07 2005 08:26 GMT
#4
Everytime i opened with 12 pool, followed by 2 more hatcheries, whether they rushed, fast expoed or whatever, i never lost on pgtour : ()
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 07 2005 08:41 GMT
#5
ok thanks.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
October 07 2005 08:48 GMT
#6
On October 07 2005 17:01 Twisted wrote:
First advice: don't listen to nullmind


lol
Xeroth
Profile Joined July 2005
United States432 Posts
October 07 2005 10:30 GMT
#7
12 pool 12 hatch seems to be pretty safe on all maps.
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fAke.cool2be
Profile Joined June 2005
Russian Federation33 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-07 12:23:10
October 07 2005 12:22 GMT
#8
12p 12hat is safe vs all MU :D :D :D
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
October 07 2005 19:27 GMT
#9
I always rather hatch before pool in ZvP, because I like the feeling of having many larvaes early. Usually scout with 9th drone, 12 hatch in main,11 pool. If I see 9/10 I make sunken in my main so that rush is completely ineffective. Make extractor on his gas, while u make your own at home...
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StarOfDust
Profile Joined September 2005
Sweden163 Posts
October 07 2005 21:24 GMT
#10
I play like LastWish, I feel that those extra larvas helps me vs early zealots. That however, can have something to do with my somewhat flawed micro.
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Keanu_Reaver
Profile Joined March 2003
Djibouti1432 Posts
October 07 2005 23:14 GMT
#11
i usually go 12 hatch in main 11 pool (or similar) but 12 pool 12 hatch is probably best, especially on a map like nostalgia.
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
October 09 2005 03:10 GMT
#12
9pool is the best opening on nostalgia vs pgtour protosses

all they do is try to fast expo, so 50% of games you can end in under 3 minutes ;p
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
October 09 2005 03:29 GMT
#13
why would they fast expo on Nostalgia PvZ??
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2005 03:49 GMT
#14
On October 09 2005 12:29 FireBlast! wrote:
why would they fast expo on Nostalgia PvZ??


Fast expo into 3 gate +1 zeals is pretty good, imho

all in all i find PvZ on Nostalgia much more balanced than on many other ground maps
+1 speed Zeals are so strong on this map, imho ..
hatred outlives the hateful
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
October 09 2005 04:14 GMT
#15
i find zvping on PGT nostalgia so easy, i think i've lost just once or twice in A- level t.t, on the other hand i win all my pvz too (me p) on nost as well , i just lose every PvT there
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
October 09 2005 06:02 GMT
#16
btw i 12 hatch on exp then 12 pool, a little risky if not have good micro at start but can hold even vs 9/11 gate
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2298 Posts
October 09 2005 06:12 GMT
#17
On October 09 2005 13:14 nArAnjO wrote:
i find zvping on PGT nostalgia so easy, i think i've lost just once or twice in A- level t.t, on the other hand i win all my pvz too (me p) on nost as well , i just lose every PvT there


mind sharing your pvz rep pack ??
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-09 07:42:46
October 09 2005 07:37 GMT
#18
On October 09 2005 12:49 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
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On October 09 2005 12:29 FireBlast! wrote:
why would they fast expo on Nostalgia PvZ??


Fast expo into 3 gate +1 zeals is pretty good, imho

all in all i find PvZ on Nostalgia much more balanced than on many other ground maps
+1 speed Zeals are so strong on this map, imho ..

no, fast expo is a very, very bad pvz opening on nostalgia
you can try 2 gate pressure (don't like it though)
but if you don't 2 gate you absolutely need to gas early, otherwise you have ZERO chance to win in the long run, if your opponent is not way worse than you, which excludes fast expo builds

if you fast exp as p on nostalgia you cannot do ANYTHING against z taking gas expo very, very early and NO you do NOT want that to happen.
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nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-10-09 10:11:09
October 09 2005 08:31 GMT
#19
On October 09 2005 15:12 ffswowsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2005 13:14 nArAnjO wrote:
i find zvping on PGT nostalgia so easy, i think i've lost just once or twice in A- level t.t, on the other hand i win all my pvz too (me p) on nost as well , i just lose every PvT there


mind sharing your pvz rep pack ??


sorry i just dont save reps anymore, i even forget to save when i play a good game T_T bad habit.
Anyway im not playing on my PGT account anymore so it a friend of mine
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
October 09 2005 09:04 GMT
#20
Use PP autosave!
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