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Agile_ph
Profile Joined April 2004
Philippines12 Posts
August 18 2004 10:07 GMT
#1
This is by far the most difficult matchup for me. I scout his base with flying rax and i see his build...but i dont know what to do next...

i dont know if im suppose to mirror his BO or counter BO

what is the safest and most flexible BO for Tvt?
Chobo Terran
SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
August 18 2004 10:16 GMT
#2
1 factory, 1 starport

if he goes wraith, make 2nd starport, cloak, acad and e-bay
if he goes vults, get tanks non stop and make exp (this is usually freewin)
if he goes 2 fac anything, get cloak so he cant attack fast, and get siege so you can attack him
if he goes fast exp, drop his cliff and expand

oh ya and if close spots make a vult before addon, any other spots you'll have tank in time
Son Of Law
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-18 12:22:22
August 18 2004 11:26 GMT
#3
for me i like 2 fact armory

if wraith, acadmey, 6 gol and attack while getting ebay
if vult, acadmey, 6 gol and 2 tanks. break out once scan is done
if fast expo, use first vult and floating rax to delay abit while u expand straight on the nat without anything (remember it takes at least 20 to 30 secs for a CC to float)
if mirror build, make 2 gol, 4 tanks and expo urself
if single port, stop at 2-4 gols and go double port switch. watch ur cliff first

when expoing, make sure u have 2-4 tanks to defend. otherwise make them if u don't have them. after that start ur port is that in such a way when ur expo is done, u have a dropship to defend from cliffing. Keep ur gols to check if the other terran wants to contain u at ur 2nd nat
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
Kreeeee
Profile Joined May 2004
305 Posts
August 20 2004 04:58 GMT
#4
TvT is probably the most varied matchup. pretty much all of terrans units can be used in viable strategies. My personal favourite is the 2fac port 4goliath drop.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
August 20 2004 05:02 GMT
#5
mine too although i prefer using 1fac 1port because it allows better control of the map while expanding
Son Of Law
TheSileNceSinGs
Profile Joined October 2003
Canada288 Posts
August 20 2004 05:10 GMT
#6
Proxy rax rush!!!
=D
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
August 20 2004 05:45 GMT
#7
i like to build 2rax in middle of map (but still so enemy dont see it) then you should be able to kill atleast something in his base, i prefer scv that try to build fac, so that enemy cant get his vultures so fast, however, if you try this unorthodox strat, dont pump marines for too long, at some point enemy gets his vultures and then you should have tanks
I dont want to be totally out :3
0wNaG3-
Profile Joined May 2004
333 Posts
August 20 2004 06:00 GMT
#8
This is how I usually play TvT.

My favourite is 2 fac, port, armoury +1 damage. Get 4 gols and 1 dropship. Then you have 2 options:

If u scout 2 port wraith, get ebay and a couple of turrets covering ur base, and acadamy. Get about 8 gols and a 2nd dropship before getting an addon on one of the facs.

If he 2 fac anything get fac addon siege mode and a tank then expo. pump gols from one fac and tanks from the other. Get 3rd fac once expo is secure.

Once 3rd fac is up get another cc and take an island or another base. Use your dropships to fly a couple scv over to build turrets, and maybe a tank or 2. If you feel gutsy drop his expo cliff. But however, watch terran trying to contain u with blockade. Constant drops on his expos and main base will keep him to busy to attempt a blockade.

Now get 3-5 more facs and take yet another base. Have a good number of dropships handy to harrass him and protect your other expos. You may choose to switch to BC. in that case only get 3 more facs (total of 6 facs) and get around 4-5 ports.
AKA: frEeLoSS
Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
August 20 2004 06:25 GMT
#9
does M&M have any viability whatsoevever? i'm sick of conventional TvT
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 20 2004 06:42 GMT
#10
as far as i know mm only works if its a complete suprise, as metal owns it badly. i saw nada beat boxer by switching to mass mm/tank midgame once
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azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
August 20 2004 09:57 GMT
#11
try 1 tank 3 scv =) boxer did it a few times, as well as themarine. didn't work, but contained.

anyways, 2fac 4gol drop is always a good strat.
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
August 20 2004 11:44 GMT
#12
On August 20 2004 15:25 Refrain[FriZ] wrote:
does M&M have any viability whatsoevever? i'm sick of conventional TvT


surprise element + kill scvs

otherwise M and M won't work
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
August 20 2004 11:46 GMT
#13
On August 20 2004 15:25 Refrain[FriZ] wrote:
does M&M have any viability whatsoevever? i'm sick of conventional TvT


i find sometimes in TvT, later in the game when you may be fighting over gas expos, or if all the gas is gone.. if you have alot lot lot of minerals and no gas, get lots and lots of MM...otherwise, if you have no gas in TvT, game is over, might as well keep your money down as best as you can...

i really have only done this in casual games =) a thought
SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
August 20 2004 14:17 GMT
#14
you can also make vultures mid-game to spend spare minerals and use them to mine important locations, destroy small containments or raid scvs
Son Of Law
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
August 20 2004 15:55 GMT
#15
i like to do 4 gol drop
easy, fun, and gay as fuck sometimes
anguish: its like that time i asked my bestfriend who happened to be black if his dick was bigger than mine anguish: he got angry anguish: and told me i was racist and gay
Agile_ph
Profile Joined April 2004
Philippines12 Posts
August 20 2004 18:21 GMT
#16
I think il practice the 1 fac then 1 port strategy...im thinking that it work best with a wall in...though when opponent sees you wall in...the vulture rush is out of the picture...
Chobo Terran
Saiyo
Profile Joined July 2004
France127 Posts
August 21 2004 10:10 GMT
#17
goliath massing
http://www.neogamei.net P.S.G. ^^
aReLaZ-y
Profile Joined January 2004
141 Posts
August 23 2004 16:04 GMT
#18
my fav:
proxy rax -> 2port wraith. works 100% on pubs then u get called hacker heh

the most safe would probably be 1fact 1port or 2fact gol :/
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