• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:51
CEST 03:51
KST 10:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1744 users

[ASL16] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Blunt Impact

Forum Index > BW General
10 CommentsPost a Reply

[ASL16] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Blunt Impact

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byv1
September 25th, 2023 02:17 GMT
ASL11 Main Image
Some might say this is the weaker side of the bracket compared to the very competitive and history filled rivalries of the other half, but this half does feature the last of protoss hope in Mini going up against the most in-form Sharp we've seen in years.

Follow that up with the EffOrt and Action rematch after their exciting Hive Tech ZvZ from the Ro24, there's a lot to look forward to this week and every combination of the following Semifinal match looks great.

Let us know who you want to win.

Group A Preview

You Sometimes Maybe Can Can't Blunt The Sharp



(T)Sharp lost to Stork in his last daily proleague he played. Stork, that guy who always goes carriers every single PvT.

How does that happen? Well, Sharp had a bad early game; Sharp essentially lost an early dropship with 4 vultures and his first tank for free and his engagements/positioning mid game were just not good. Quite an easy win for Stork, despite suffering probe losses to vulture raids (as well as having his carrier tech revealed early).

I already voted Sharp, so I have no choice to stick to that prediction. I voted Sharp because of a gut feeling, because of hype. Sharp is generally mediocre, but then he is not… He is strong or weak, rarely in between even during the same game, so I’ll echo what I've read on TL recently: Sharp is can be a really entertaining player to watch. Basically you never know what to expect.

Scrolling through last Ro16 Group D thread, (P)Mini is by far the predicted favorite in this upcoming match up. However… Mini’s mental or rather emotional instability during live offline games has well resurfaced, already since ASL14 and in ASL15 where he was ironically too overconfident and dropped out against sSak in the Ro24.
This is not ASL 11, or ASL 12, the season Mini became the champ nor ASL 13 either where he still had that champion confidence but dropped to a stellar Light that became that season’s champ. Mini has the skill, but does he have the mental fortitude? In contrast Sharp has the mental fortitude, but does he have the skill when it is needed?

On September 13 2023 06:24 TMNT wrote:
(T)Sharp is actually 5-1 vs (P)Mini in the last 3 months. Not sure who's the favorite here.


Since then Sharp and Mini haven’t met eachother in any of the daily proleagues and Mini hasn’t played much TvP. Meanwhile Sharp hasn’t really played TvP either. Most of his TvP's where against Stork in which, btw, all 3 before the one mentioned in the first paragraph Sharp won. I can only imagine Stork went carriers there as well. Speaking of going carriers, they have seem to have become the go-to style nowadays, even Bisu is favor for it (lol). Arbiter has fallen out of meta, imo that’s why it could be a great tool in a high stake bo5. It’s not like it’s difficult to tech to Arbs when you’re playing shuttle storm style, a style Mini still adors.
Mini’s playstyle is about out-multitasking his opponent, continuous action in different locations constantly drawing attention elsewhere and thus having total control over his opponent and himself (his emotions). This can make him more susceptible to vulture raids, which Sharp loves to do. Mini wants Sharp to react to whatever he is doing. Sharp has no choice to accept and face the chaos that pervert toss will force onto him, but he must not forget it will not be controlled chaos if he doesn’t only play reactionary and still does his beloved vulture raids.

Sharp could learn from Light in order to beat Mini as that seems to be Mini’s PvT nemesis (source: ASL13 and major proleagues), but can a Terran other than Light actually execute like Light does? I think not. Sharp has to stick to his roots, sleep well, play focused and be eager.

As far as predictions go: It is pretty much a 50/50 imo. The community wants to see Mini advance because Protoss and obvious reasons. We want to narrow down the chances of another Terran champ repeat. Follow your heart, your gut feeling, it’s all good. Good luck on your LB and let us enjoy a good old, exciting Bo5! Hope to all see you in the LR thread!

You need a prediction you say? Alright, alright, you won't get it from me, but if you want some head-to-head data, which doesn't support my gut feeling of 50/50 one bit lol, go here(Highlight with mouse to read). + Show Spoiler +
Basically Sharp has been Mini's bitch since 2021


Editors Note:
Peeano LB'd Sharp so I'm putting it here


(T)Sharp To Advance To the Semifinals!


Group B Preview

Believing In Miracles



First thing you need to understand about this series between (Z)EffOrt and (Z)Action is that I’m very tempted to just leave it at this first paragraph by saying “I wish they go to 5 games and every game is like the game EffOrt and Action had in the Ro24, I don’t even care who wins because Hive ZvZ might be a gimmick but there’s not a single person in this community that has ever denied it's a great watch.”

Sadly though, reality doesn’t work that way and we were very lucky to have their exciting Ro24 encounter.

EffOrt pretty much shattered all expectations of a player who's returned after a long time and while he has been keeping active by playing in proleague games daily even when he chose not to participate in the ASL these last few years, I think the general expectation was that he'd show a few good games in the early stages and that would be it for his return outing, but no, he's been one of the best zerg players this season, absolutely crushed JyJ and threw him into the wind in the Ro16 winner's game.

While not nearly as consistent as hero, Action has been a regular going into the bracket stages of the ASL now though this season he just barely made it by the skin of his teeth in that final series against BeSt in the Ro16.

Going back to that back to that Ro24 game it really showcased how despite letting the game go that long that Action just had the better unit control overall. His micromanagement of the core units of Zergling Mutalisk and Scourge were just much more refined than EffOrt’s, which is why EffOrt was willing to go the unconventional route.

It is very likely that this Ro8 series will play out much in a similar way with Action being the better player in the traditional standard ZvZ and EffOrt either getting a Build Order win or trying to make the game anything but standard and hopefully winning and taking it there.

(Z)Action Advances to the Semifinals 3-1!


Writers: BLinD-RawR, Peeano
Graphics: v1
Editors: BLinD-RawR

Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 25 2023 02:48 GMT
#2
sharp: yoga, diet, exercise
mini: pervert toss, tilting, long fingernails

in this rock paper scissors match up, mini clearly wins. plus nobody wants a tvt finals, and the ro4 zvp would probably be amazing. mini will have one obvious throw in this series, but his excellent micro will pull him across the finish line.

mini advances 3-2
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
September 25 2023 03:19 GMT
#3
Why has Arbiter fallen out of meta despite being the best Toss spellcaster? It just seems natural to tech to Arbiter after building Templar Archives for HT.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines578 Posts
September 25 2023 06:32 GMT
#4
mini please save us from the possibility of a 3rd tvt finals
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2049 Posts
September 25 2023 09:19 GMT
#5
Come on Mini!
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2833 Posts
September 25 2023 10:02 GMT
#6
On September 25 2023 12:19 Terrorbladder wrote:
Why has Arbiter fallen out of meta despite being the best Toss spellcaster? It just seems natural to tech to Arbiter after building Templar Archives for HT.

S rank Terran foreigners may struggle to defend recall but at pro level they have the mechanics to defend the main very well that a recall doesn't get much value, or their reaction so fast that the Arbiter can be easily shut down with EMP. Another variation is their timing is so sharp that they may go agressive and kill Protoss before Arbiter with energy is done.

Then if you talk about mass stasis, Protoss pros are good enough that with that much resource to get 2-3 Arbiters, they either kill Terran with storms already or tech into Carriers for a safer path to win, rather than relying your entire gameplan on an EMP hit.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3392 Posts
September 25 2023 11:24 GMT
#7
The current maps also play a role, several of them are very good for carrier play (no huge flat terrain, plenty of cliffs and ramps and airspace...)
Horang2 fan
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5127 Posts
September 25 2023 15:17 GMT
#8
In a bo5 maps matter less and what's meta is basically already predetermined by the maps, hence I didn't care to talk about them specifically. Also this is ASL's least wacky map pool in a long time (and this is not bo7 yet, thus players have more control over what maps will/wont be played).
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
September 25 2023 15:22 GMT
#9
I didn't talk about maps because lol zvz
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5127 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-25 15:30:33
September 25 2023 15:29 GMT
#10
On September 26 2023 00:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I didn't talk about maps because lol zvz

If we get a ZvZ final I'm expecting a full study on hive play: history of all hive play ZvZ in Korean BW, how to tech into hive the safest way, which unit comp has most historical success and what ASL maps are the most suitable for it and thus we can expect hive play on.
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
September 25 2023 15:36 GMT
#11
On September 26 2023 00:29 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2023 00:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I didn't talk about maps because lol zvz

If we get a ZvZ final I'm expecting a full study on hive play: history of all hive play ZvZ in Korean BW, how to tech into hive the safest way, which unit comp has most historical success and what ASL maps are the most suitable for it and thus we can expect hive play on.


I'll just quote Shark's blog from 2011, I need to find it though.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
19:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Spirit vs PercivalLIVE!
Cham vs TBD
ByuN vs Jumy
SteadfastSC973
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 973
NeuroSwarm 134
RuFF_SC2 124
Nathanias 85
ProTech57
ROOTCatZ 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 788
Shuttle 658
Light 206
Sharp 121
NaDa 31
Icarus 3
Dota 2
monkeys_forever944
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Fnx 434
Other Games
summit1g8479
JimRising 366
C9.Mang0299
Maynarde121
Trikslyr52
ViBE45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick923
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH142
• davetesta35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1275
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8h 9m
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
Map Test Tournament
9h 9m
The PondCast
11h 9m
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.