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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 27 2011 04:15 GMT
#1
Hey,


This is just an idea, but I was thinking, Korean BW is very big with huge leagues(MSL/OSL/SPL). For these leagues, they have map makers, etc. I want to know what you guys thought about an international version of KeSpA. With ELO count and what not for the top foreign players. Also, with maps made by this particular company. Anyhow, let me know your thoughts on this, if there is enough interest, I might invest some time into looking at doing something like this.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 27 2011 04:22 GMT
#2
I dunno the starcraft 2 scene is blowing up right now but there isnt really much interest in BW for the foreign scene all eyes are on SC2
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
June 27 2011 04:22 GMT
#3
yea but im pretty sure the foreign bw scene is pretty much dead (as a general view)
FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
June 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#4
There wasn't even enough interest in a foreigner league at the height of BW popularity, much less now.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
June 27 2011 04:40 GMT
#5
On June 27 2011 13:29 FreezerJumps wrote:
There wasn't even enough interest in a foreigner league at the height of BW popularity, much less now.


On this and the already 2 previous negative points:
There was not enough interest in such a thing at BW's height because of a lack of organization and community. Everything was spread out, and all leagues, servers, and teams were very capitalistic, therefore nothing was centralized and or overall productive. It was very entertaining, but BW has hit a constant population and centralization, therefore this idea would be more feasible in our current situation. Yes SC2 is huge. Yes BW was cut in half in population. But, the people who have stayed are not only loyal, but have a very intricately united state.

With that said, the idea is far fetched because no one is willing to work nearly as hard as KESPA did. The formation of such a thing would take ages given the low amount of people willing to contribute. Gosugamers had the closest thing to a foreign KESPA, and everyone LOVED it, definitely with my inclusion. I mean I really loved Gosugamers attempt at it, they inspired me to do a lot of things that I have done managerially in the BW community. Regardless, far fetched.

My advice: Start small (ranking system documenting matches etc) and get a following, and then if after that 6-9 months you still have the motivation and motivated staff to do so, more power to you.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2057 Posts
June 27 2011 04:48 GMT
#6
i like this idea except for the maps part. I think we should stick with the latest korean ones as we are currently doing. I liked the gosugamers rankings, until so many people became inactive that it became obsolete, and many important matches were not recorded etc.

Anything that helps the bw community is gold imo though, GL with your idea
aka DragOn[NaS]
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 27 2011 04:49 GMT
#7
Its an ambitious project...The foreigner scene nowadays is like 99% SC2 and 1% BW, its probably not worth it tbh..
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10894 Posts
June 27 2011 05:00 GMT
#8
I think this is an awesome idea, regardless of the amount of ' top ' foreigners left , obviously this won't have as much support but there is always people who will support something like this and can help get it done, I support this idea and think its a wonderful one at that.

Of course if this thread gets filled up full of people who doubt he possibility of this happening then yea I highly doubt it will happen unless you are really devoted to making this succeed, i'd try to help anyway I could, and so should all of you.

Foreigner BW !
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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
June 27 2011 05:02 GMT
#9
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
June 27 2011 05:03 GMT
#10
the only possibility for a 'korean kespa' to be viable is with good prize pools in the tournaments or leagues that they will be organizing.

if not, is pretty much impossible.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11603 Posts
June 27 2011 05:05 GMT
#11
idk what you guys are talking about not having leagues before...we did have leagues in the past...

team leagues:

WGTCL, BWCL, ICCL, FCL

if you mean tournaments:

WCG, TSL, ESL, For <3 Of The Game, SCForAll, SC2GG, ESWC, TANL, ECG, Estro Superstars, LAN-Z, and a ton of smaller ones.

we had college leagues like CSL

we also had a very popular nation leagues (nation wars).
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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
June 27 2011 05:09 GMT
#12
No one ever said there was no leagues, if you're replying to me indirectly what I meant was that it was very spread out and had a winner takes all mentality. By that I mean now everything is inadvertently connected.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
June 27 2011 05:17 GMT
#13
Sounds like a fine idea to me, would love to see/participate in stuff like this that keeps BW going.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 27 2011 05:21 GMT
#14
On June 27 2011 13:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
i like this idea except for the maps part. I think we should stick with the latest korean ones as we are currently doing. I liked the gosugamers rankings, until so many people became inactive that it became obsolete, and many important matches were not recorded etc.

Anything that helps the bw community is gold imo though, GL with your idea

I just think Foreign maps could be interesting. I mean, there are already countless games played on all the korean maps, I don't see how foreign maps would be any worse. The whole point of this is if the Foreign scene wants to survive, we should base our system off the korean one(not in terms of skill but organization). Foreign maps would be an interesting dynamic with new ideas.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
June 27 2011 05:35 GMT
#15
Good idea a couple of years too late
Tekken ProGamer
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 27 2011 05:38 GMT
#16
On June 27 2011 14:02 Jumperer wrote:
do a power ranking, then do a barrel roll.

How do I do a barrel roll now?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
June 27 2011 05:44 GMT
#17
On June 27 2011 14:38 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 14:02 Jumperer wrote:
do a power ranking, then do a barrel roll.

How do I do a barrel roll now?


You could always do a flame wheel, that should look like a barrel roll.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9571 Posts
June 27 2011 12:20 GMT
#18
On June 27 2011 13:40 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 13:29 FreezerJumps wrote:
There wasn't even enough interest in a foreigner league at the height of BW popularity, much less now.


On this and the already 2 previous negative points:
There was not enough interest in such a thing at BW's height because of a lack of organization and community. Everything was spread out, and all leagues, servers, and teams were very capitalistic, therefore nothing was centralized and or overall productive. It was very entertaining, but BW has hit a constant population and centralization, therefore this idea would be more feasible in our current situation. Yes SC2 is huge. Yes BW was cut in half in population. But, the people who have stayed are not only loyal, but have a very intricately united state.

With that said, the idea is far fetched because no one is willing to work nearly as hard as KESPA did. The formation of such a thing would take ages given the low amount of people willing to contribute. Gosugamers had the closest thing to a foreign KESPA, and everyone LOVED it, definitely with my inclusion. I mean I really loved Gosugamers attempt at it, they inspired me to do a lot of things that I have done managerially in the BW community. Regardless, far fetched.

My advice: Start small (ranking system documenting matches etc) and get a following, and then if after that 6-9 months you still have the motivation and motivated staff to do so, more power to you.

It's funny you talking about BW players unity, since your camp and ICCup are practically at war with each other. I appreciate what you're doing for foreign BW community at the moment, and I also appreciate what ICCup is doing for foreign BW community. But you both need to sort out your problems first, which I don't see happening due to an ego clashes of epic proportions.

If EVERYONE was united and centralized like you said, I agree, things like this would be much more feasible. But no matter how small the community is, there will always be two sides and pointless fighting and bickering between them... which sucks.
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 12:27:45
June 27 2011 12:26 GMT
#19
On June 27 2011 21:20 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 13:40 Game wrote:
On June 27 2011 13:29 FreezerJumps wrote:
There wasn't even enough interest in a foreigner league at the height of BW popularity, much less now.


On this and the already 2 previous negative points:
There was not enough interest in such a thing at BW's height because of a lack of organization and community. Everything was spread out, and all leagues, servers, and teams were very capitalistic, therefore nothing was centralized and or overall productive. It was very entertaining, but BW has hit a constant population and centralization, therefore this idea would be more feasible in our current situation. Yes SC2 is huge. Yes BW was cut in half in population. But, the people who have stayed are not only loyal, but have a very intricately united state.

With that said, the idea is far fetched because no one is willing to work nearly as hard as KESPA did. The formation of such a thing would take ages given the low amount of people willing to contribute. Gosugamers had the closest thing to a foreign KESPA, and everyone LOVED it, definitely with my inclusion. I mean I really loved Gosugamers attempt at it, they inspired me to do a lot of things that I have done managerially in the BW community. Regardless, far fetched.

My advice: Start small (ranking system documenting matches etc) and get a following, and then if after that 6-9 months you still have the motivation and motivated staff to do so, more power to you.

It's funny you talking about BW players unity, since your camp and ICCup are practically at war with each other. I appreciate what you're doing for foreign BW community at the moment, and I also appreciate what ICCup is doing for foreign BW community. But you both need to sort out your problems first, which I don't see happening due to an ego clashes of epic proportions.

If EVERYONE was united and centralized like you said, I agree, things like this would be much more feasible. But no matter how small the community is, there will always be two sides and pointless fighting and bickering between them... which sucks.



My Hero has arrived. I think the goals of those who oppose iccup should be to work things out with them first. For BW community to actually thrive we need EVERYONE to support it as a whole, and not these small private events that EXCLUDE people due to personal reasons.

Edit: Hey michael how are you? Long time no see...
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
June 27 2011 12:47 GMT
#20
There are a new generation of BW players now. We could use sc2 popularity and manipulate it to attract players and spectators, though im not sure how to do that.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
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