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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
The frame with Physician is still the greatest, but I L'dOL pretty hard at Mani's head on Zangief's body, too  . | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
and yubee is gangster. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Mani - you made a private convo, public: shame on you. As to who back stabbed who, I think after the public ridicule tiger has suffered just for trying to offer something for us, getting kicked out, albeit mouthing off beyond repair and in the context of all the people hacking and cracking his stuff left and right including a server crash, it is obvious enough for me. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On April 27 2007 22:36 Physician wrote: yubee - my hat off to you, respect. I enjoyed it lol.. The man himself enjoyed it. Respect. Or not... ;D | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
On April 27 2007 22:15 Smurg wrote: Yubee deserves a star. Or a bee suit icon. | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On April 27 2007 22:36 Physician wrote: As to who back stabbed who, I think after the public ridicule tiger has suffered just for trying to offer something for us, plus all the people hacking and cracking left and right including a server crash, is obvious enough for me. Well, he lied about what he was offering. BIG TIME. It wasn't something small... the entire thing he's been saying for months has been a fabrication, which leads me to believe his ego has more to do with this than the community. He quite frankly deserves it. If he had honorably stepped down and said "yeah, okay maybe I wasn't as good as I thought I was" things wouldn't have been so bad, but he still acts like he's the shit. Annnnnd other people hacking into him has got nothing to do with Mani. That was Tiger's mouth that got him into that situation in the fallout of it all. And if by hacking you meant the launcher / exe file... that wasn't hacking. That was simply NORMAL qualitity assurance analysis... which uncovered major defects that could have resulted in the stolen name/password for every TLT user. If Tiger was respectable, he would thank people for pointing that out flaws like this, but he wasn't, which goes to show it was all about the ego, not the community. I respect you, which is why I hope you see all this. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On April 27 2007 22:36 Physician wrote: yubee - my hat off to you, respect. I enjoyed it - intially.. then not so much lol.. (note though I only knew about LDK same week it got released) Mani or Tiger - one of you made a private convo, public: shame on one of you. As to who back stabbed who, I think after the public ridicule tiger has suffered just for trying to offer something for us, getting kicked out, albeit mouthing off beyond repair and in the context of all the people hacking and cracking his stuff left and right including a server crash, is obvious enough for me. i only have one thing to say to you: + Show Spoiler + TIGER | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
we should totally team up and work on teamliquids quest for world domination | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Keep'em coming! | ||
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
On April 27 2007 23:36 Physician wrote: HnR)Insane not specifically blaming you but given you experience in WGTour in the ladder and as a coder, I was just trying to prove a point - something you know already - I am code clueless and I wanted to believe, just like the rest of us, what chance did us none coders had to predict this? I mean LordMartin is probably one of the better coders Brood War world has and he worked in the project too with tiger. Fonger is no noob either. If tiger was truly that incompetent - where does that leave all of us? Tiger was the ONLY member of the team to work on the launcher or even see the code. Any defects in the launcher were his responsibility and his alone. I think the above really needs to be emphasized here. It's not as if the launcher was a team effort, and blame for problems with it can be equally shared out among everyone. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
A M A Z I N G ! ! ! ! ! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On April 27 2007 23:36 Physician wrote: If tiger was truly that incompetent - where does that leave all of us? Physician, perhaps it will help you to understand if I explain something to you about programmers. It is not very uncommon for companies to hire programmers -- even highly-paid consultants who earn over $150/hour -- who seem like good choices initially, but end up producing total garbage in the end, sometimes even worse than the useless garbage that Tiger produced for us. For instance, here is a story about a female contractor who did literally nothing for several months, yet she told everyone she was making good progress and everyone believed her (admittedly not the best practice). And that website contains many more stories similar to this, including ones that feature incompetent yet highly-paid consultants. Anyway, what I am getting at is that bad programmers like Tiger are everywhere, and even professional companies can be fooled into hiring them and believing that they are doing good work. Manifesto made mistakes and he doesn't deny it. We put too much faith in Tiger and did not question his abilities for too long. And I am sure we will be careful not to repeat these mistakes again. But we have little reason to feel incompetent or inferior, because as I said, professionals also make these mistakes all too often. There is something else I would like to convey to you. You see, in almost every story on "Worse Than Failure" about a bad programmer, it is mentioned that the bad programmer keeps his job by continually giving the image that he is doing a lot more work (and work of much higher quality) than in reality. Often the worst part is that because of his senior position, the management believes all of the lies even when the other programmers try to point out his flaws. In this case here, I am afraid Tiger still has you fooled. You ask us to show him gratitude for the work he did. I have a question for you to ponder: before all of this news broke, if you had to estimate how much time and effort Tiger had spent on his anti-hack, what would you have guessed? Be honest with yourself, and compare that to the actual answer: his anti-hack script was probably written in about 15 minutes. Now, based on my experience, I believe it is reasonable to assume a similar relationship between apparent time spent and actual time spent on the launcher as well. In other words, I think it is safe to assume the launcher took him a few hours at the most. Furthermore, his anti-hack is completely useless -- no, it is worse than useless, because if we had launched with that as our anti-hack (not to mention the faulty launcher), TLTour would have become a joke. The same goes for the launcher: had we launched, the password of every TLTour member would have been available for the taking. This is a common problem with bad programmers: their poor-quality work is worse than no work at all. In the end, Tiger was going to damage our community. Even after he was warned about the flaws in the launcher, it seemed apparent that he would rather put our community members at risk than admit to any problems. Even on GG.net he advertises the launch of his own league using his flawed, password-leaking launcher and placebo anti-hack. In my assessment, his ego is more important to him than the safety of our community members. How can we show thanks or respect to a person like this? Ultimately, all of us would have been better off if he never existed. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
you still owe me a ZvZ | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
There's a lot of "absolute" in the previous paragraph, which should clue people into the fact that Tiger deserves absolutely no respect or mercy for his absolutely reprehensible actions regarding TLT. Unless a person can somehow prove all that was alleged to be wrong or false, I see no reason for Tiger to expect anything but the worst treatment from everyone in the SC/BW community. | ||
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d4d
Switzerland1066 Posts
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