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WickedSkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Netherlands81 Posts
November 24 2011 21:46 GMT
#1
This blog includes balance whine. You are warned, you may read below.

Come on, community? Really? Nobody saying anything? Nobody mentioning anything? Nobody?
Sad zealot club? SAD ZEALOT CLUB?
+ Show Spoiler +

Stephano taking every eu tournament there is. Others taken by Dimaga. Socke and Mana pwning all others.
MMA (rank 5) losing to OZ (>?!?#?!#? rank 4104101401450 )
MMA @ MLG zerg easy yo, riight....
MVP being DEMOLISHED by MC, HuK, NANIWA, LOSIRA and countless number of zergs or tosses with random timing attacks
Terrans having to struggle vs every toss player who doesn't leave his bases until minute 15 with a maxed 3/3 army while you are just finishing your 2/2 BECAUSE TOSS JUST CAN?
Tosses telling me that it is equally skill intensive to control zealot/ht/archon army and bio army?
People saying Terran is OP?
People saying that Ghost is STILL OP? Snipe being OP?
Zerg telling me that there is harder to control zerg army as compared to Terran in TvZ?


Am I getting it wrong, or everybody has gone mad?
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Zerg is totally imba, was for like months and probably will still be.
Toss bad performance was and still is due to terribly terribly bad players as compared to their Zerg/Terran counterparts. Solution: nerf Ghost so toss players can make only zealots. Why not give a zealot a bit more health? Like 100 health/100 shields?
Guys in threads (not mentioning names) telling that '2 marines can comfortably kill a zealot' and everybody agreeing?

While the general opinion of TL community is so different than mine, I feel that I will continue my membership only as a lurker as I don't otherwise know how to express my utter dismay of the state in which this beautiful game (sc2) is.



User was temp banned for this post.
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MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
November 24 2011 21:51 GMT
#2
why do you find the game to be beautiful if you say it's so horribly balanced? Oo if it sucks, it sucks. there's no "it sooo good but it sucks soo hard", that just doesn't add up. -> get your head straight!

also play more qq less, if you overthink this stuff just because it's easy to rage about, it's just going to get worse
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
November 24 2011 21:54 GMT
#3
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Thought this was about WWE
Novelty
Profile Joined November 2011
United States9 Posts
November 24 2011 21:56 GMT
#4
Since I play random on SC2, I noticed a few things. Now, keep in mind, I'm a noob to SC2, so I'm just giving my initial reactions to the game:

- The longer the game goes on, the more of a chance the Zerg has to win because their macro seems to crush the other two races in macro.

- I play random, and whenever I play against Zerg, I lose - except when I play ZvZ. This is mostly due to me being bad, but whenever I play Zerg, I rarely lose.

- Terran is really hard to play against Protoss.
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TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
November 24 2011 22:21 GMT
#5
zerg isnt imba, dont fight balance whines with other balance whines!
dr Helvetica <3
Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
November 24 2011 23:11 GMT
#6
On November 25 2011 06:56 Novelty wrote:
Since I play random on SC2, I noticed a few things. Now, keep in mind, I'm a noob to SC2, so I'm just giving my initial reactions to the game:

- The longer the game goes on, the more of a chance the Zerg has to win because their macro seems to crush the other two races in macro.

- I play random, and whenever I play against Zerg, I lose - except when I play ZvZ. This is mostly due to me being bad, but whenever I play Zerg, I rarely lose.

- Terran is really hard to play against Protoss.


Wait what!?

@OP u need to calm down. A game like this will go through different stages where players need to figure out how to beat certain things. And if not, blizzard can still make some changes.

Even BW have periods like this and that game pretty god damn old and is regarded as being fairly balanced by most people. I remember a while ago where Zerg NEVER won against Protoss but that changed when player started figuring things out and when other maps where populair.

Terran may be having a hard time right now but they have been on top for in other, and longer, periods so maybe chill out before balance whining.
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
November 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#7
O man this is gonna get really funny
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:45:00
November 24 2011 23:44 GMT
#8
Lol this is the worst argument I've ever heard! There's nothing constructive, nothing to prove the OP's point other than a couple of Terran's losing who won games before...

Poorly sourced, poorly written. Poor.
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
November 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#9
Pew Pew > QQ

You did say this was a rage blog, so fair enough, rage away.

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 02:50:48
November 25 2011 02:33 GMT
#10
Hey, you know, there are other things you can do on TL besides balance whine. I see a large number of your posts are in the balance discussion thread, and you've already blogged about zerg being horrendously OP.

Shut the fuck up.

Edit: Oh yeah, you were the genius who wrote:
On November 13 2011 10:09 WickedSkies wrote:
I have always seen things differently than my peers. Ever since highschool I have liked chicks that my friends don't find attractive, or liked food combinations other people will find strange (peanut butter + yoghurt!). Interestingly enough, this 'seeing things differently' stuff did not make me very popular as I am also very outspoken, I used to often find myself in the situation where I am alone in an argument with 20 people.

and thought that "seeing things differently" somehow channeled into you having some unparalleled understanding of balance.

User was warned for this post
They're fools. You should eat them.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
November 25 2011 02:42 GMT
#11
lol @ zerg imba.....

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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17020 Posts
November 25 2011 04:10 GMT
#12
No balance whining.
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