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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3408 Posts
February 15 2009 05:54 GMT
#21
How can someone not like Bisu or Flash or Jaedong. They are the best of the best in their race and take their specific race to its limits while playing it.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 15 2009 06:13 GMT
#22
On February 15 2009 14:54 Yaqoob wrote:
How can someone not like Bisu or Flash or Jaedong. They are the best of the best in their race and take their specific race to its limits while playing it.

Bisu Haters, ADD Boxer Micro Fans and Toss fanboys.
dats racist
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
February 15 2009 07:30 GMT
#23
i don't like bisu
he makes stupid groups and i just don't like him
he is sooo good though.


i love flash
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
February 15 2009 07:40 GMT
#24
Bisu's PvP and PvT are so far above anyone else right now given that Stork is cursed, but I think he's better anyway because Stork could never beat Flash anywhere near his best, while Bisu did. His PvZ is...who knows. We will in a week.

I hate this other stereotype too. Flash is the smartest player who takes the most risks. I would really love to see anyone else make their 4th cc while still on 2 facts on Medusa, or try to double expand with 1 fact on Destination. While every other Terran is losing with the same old garbage, Flash alone innovates new stuff.

I don't consider it turtling if you are able to trick your opponent to not attack you while you gobble up resources and upgrades with minimal defense. How is that not exciting to see him live on the edge like that? Look beyond the obvious picture: there's more to strategic genius and great plays in SC than cute cheese, flashy micro, and proxies. Not like Flash isn't good at that either though.
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Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
February 15 2009 08:32 GMT
#25
they are both great players that have worked very hard and put a ridiculous amount of effort to get to where they are and where they will be. both have haters, both have fans.

though bisu is better looking imo
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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 15 2009 09:54 GMT
#26
I dunno what your concerns for bisu is, you say hes peaking but also say his PvZ have room for big improvement. You don`t think he can improve it while still keeping his PvT and PvP up to speed?

Just how has his PvT given you doubts lately? Because he made 1 mistake against light and let the scv scout his DT drop?

Why does it worry you that he drops games in proleague and can`t keep up with the winning 6 days a week style that Flash is using? At the end of the day hes bringing in the gold medals like noone else does, and that is where the real prestige lays and that is what makes you go down in history, not spotting some 80% winrate in Proleague.
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Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
February 15 2009 12:50 GMT
#27
On February 15 2009 09:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bisu's PvP is weaker than Best's PvP. [/nitpick]


I dont think so
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 15 2009 17:56 GMT
#28
I'm a Bisu fan but..

Flash is a beast. You have to admit.. when it looks like he's lost he can make the most amazing comebacks. And he does it consistently which makes him seen more invincible than Bisu. Part of it is his game sense is soo good, but also terran is better at defense than either toss or zerg. Repair, especially to tanks & buildings, and SCVs having 20 more health than probes or drones is strong especially in the early game.

Hopefully they will continue to produce amazing games. I do agree with the OP though... it seems like Flash can still improve more than where he is at the moment. I can't really tell if it's partly the versatility of terran or that his game sense and skill can probably still improve... probably both.

My hope is that Bisu can step it up and take it to the next level as well... we'll see vs. Jaedong and in this OSL with some toss unfavorable maps.
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