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EG cup and NA-KOR lag

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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
May 06 2011 04:24 GMT
#1
so I thought I remember reading a blog post by jinro about NA-KOR lag not being bad, yet they pulled out of EG masters cup or declined due to having to play on NA server. If it doesn't effect the match past playing some games on NA to get used to it, it seems pretty weird.

Has NA-KOR lag gotten worse?

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Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
May 06 2011 04:27 GMT
#2
I don't remember the date of the post by Jinro, but people seem to be saying that the earthquake/tsunami in Japan had a huge effect on the latency.
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
May 06 2011 04:32 GMT
#3
several weeks after the earthquake (~3ish) the latency was like I was playing on NA
two days ago it was terrible though.
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GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
May 06 2011 04:38 GMT
#4
Well the problem wasn't so much that the lag was crushing, but that it was different, so you had to play a lot on NA to get used to latency to NA, and after you were used to it you could play fine. Or at least that's how I read it. I don't think they want to pull their guys of practice that much, add to that the fact that they would most likely have to play at ridiculous hours of the day (Unless it's from replays, of course)
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
May 06 2011 04:47 GMT
#5
On May 06 2011 13:38 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Well the problem wasn't so much that the lag was crushing, but that it was different, so you had to play a lot on NA to get used to latency to NA, and after you were used to it you could play fine. Or at least that's how I read it. I don't think they want to pull their guys of practice that much, add to that the fact that they would most likely have to play at ridiculous hours of the day (Unless it's from replays, of course)

I thought the whole point was they had time to get used to the lag if they played a few games on NA but none of them did and it was there responsibility.
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 05:00:18
May 06 2011 05:00 GMT
#6
This point was beaten down over and over again in the EG cup thread. Jinro's comment regarding TSL is fair because TSL3 alternated regions, whereas the EG cup wouldn't. The post about lag was just that pros just had to "adjust" - the problem with the EG situation was that it would place an unfair burden on the lagging player to have to adjust solely, whereas TSL3 evened out that burden.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33678 Posts
May 06 2011 05:02 GMT
#7
if I recall, the EG cup invitation rejection was more about the tournament's refusal to allow liquid a relatively better solution (alternate NA-KR), not about any absolute disadvantage from playing KR to NA
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
May 06 2011 05:18 GMT
#8
On May 06 2011 14:02 Waxangel wrote:
if I recall, the EG cup invitation rejection was more about the tournament's refusal to allow liquid a relatively better solution (alternate NA-KR), not about any absolute disadvantage from playing KR to NA


This is my understanding.

The TL guys asked for rotating servers which EG felt was an unfair inconvenience for the other teams.

Pretty sad chapter really. Oh well. Not sure if lag got worse but I doubt that that is what caused to the issue.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 05:49:40
May 06 2011 05:48 GMT
#9
On May 06 2011 13:47 dacthehork wrote:
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On May 06 2011 13:38 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Well the problem wasn't so much that the lag was crushing, but that it was different, so you had to play a lot on NA to get used to latency to NA, and after you were used to it you could play fine. Or at least that's how I read it. I don't think they want to pull their guys of practice that much, add to that the fact that they would most likely have to play at ridiculous hours of the day (Unless it's from replays, of course)

I thought the whole point was they had time to get used to the lag if they played a few games on NA but none of them did and it was there responsibility.

People need to separate NA server and NA players.

For KR vs. EU players, playing on the NA server is the least bad situation and most of the problem can be overcome with experience (for both EU and KR players.)

For KR vs. NA players, there is a fairly large advantage to whoever plays on their home server, so they prefer server switching as in TSL3.

I may be mistaken, but I believe Koreans got the higher seed in TSL3 so any KR-NA player matchup would be in their favor. For KR-EU players, it would be in EU players' favor but in the closest way possible.

It's kind of silly that people have tried to criticize Jinro for that post when he rarely if ever makes excuses for his play. If you remember back to the GCPL match with Dignitas when him and SeleCT were in the Ace match, he took complete blame for that loss even though it was clear his Viking control was a second or two behind.
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