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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 04:40:27
November 19 2010 04:37 GMT
#1
This is my response to Froadac's blog.

I was going to post my story when I hit somewhere around 1k, but I have the urge to let it out right now.

Yes. My GPA is not MIT standard. My ACT is average. My extra curricular is good, if not great. But who cares? My GPA is low...


Or is that so?


High school is where students die a little. Not physically, but mentally. Those who want to succeed study everyday, changing their habits just so that you can make it into Harvard/Yale/MIT.

I happened to perform worse than my peers, and I had a harder time going through high school. I won't post the exact details, but some of them were pretty nasty: I've lost half of my friends due to my actions.

But now, I'm fine. Everything's in the past, and it's all over for now.

Why did I say this? Because some of my former friends still talk down on me because I have lower GPA than them.

Yes. That's true.

So it naturally means that I shouldn't apply to MIT, the school that I really want to go to, right?



This was the biggest question that I had for several weeks. My parents were worried that I would be in severe depression if I didn't get in there. One counselor (outside of school) told me not to waste time on MIT. Verdict: It's nearly impossible for me to end up at MIT as undergraduate freshmen.

Does that really mean that I should not try?

Let me quote from my previous post:
Here's a better question.

You have 0.000000000000001% of succeeding, and you really want to succeed.

Do you take the chance, if you're not going to regret it later? Or just don't try at all?



You're denying the truth yourself by listening 100% to what your parents say. I'm denying the truth because I'm not backing down without a fight.

And last time I've checked, 0 < 0.000000000000001



Sure, parents raised you up. Blah blah blah. But this is the stage where you have to make your own decision. Are you going to stop because people tell you that you don't have the potential?

Maybe it is the truth. For both of us. No one knows the answer until everything's over.

Are you going to back down and be scared just because your parents told you that you suck?


At first, I didn't believe this statement either when my guidance counselors told me not to worry. My paper records were far below other people, and I knew I was going to perform under many other students. It's the 'fact' that many people believe in: Low GPA, end up in regular community college (no offense to anyone who attends them; our school has very high standards).

Here's a story that I would like to share.

8th grade. Top of the class. Best math student in the grade, possibly the whole school. Yay.

Then I enter hell. I applied to a magnet school, and I was accepted.

Everyone's getting 3.8+ GPA, while I'm falling behind by a long shot. But hey, at least I still have my strongest area: Math.

Wrong.

I joined the AAST Math Team because I loved math, and I wanted to succeed in the team so that I would get recognized, while also having fun.

This was not the case.

First competition that I took was PUMaC. I took it unofficially while some of my friends took it officially. This indicated that I was performing poorly compared to my friends.

Okay. Just one incident... calm down.

AMC. This is where it hit me really hard.

90% of my friends (freshmen at the time) passed AMC 10. Me? 30 points below the passing grade. A whooping 30 points. I knew at this point that I was a failure. I was underperforming, my friends were already qualifying for AIME. At ARML, I was on the third last team, Freshmen B. All of my friends were on Freshmen A, and they were performing well. 10% of the freshmen who didn't qualify for AMC persuaded me to quit Math Team, saying that it was waste of my life. I, however, persuaded myself to wait for one more year.

Angered by the last year's performance, I went to my close friend to help me out on the AMC/AIME practice. Although I didn't do well in competitions, I did pass AMC in my sophomore year. Great, right? No. I choked on AIME, and got 1 question. Others were getting 5 and 6's, while I had a 1. Even a pre-frosh beat me. Thus, I was placed into third lowest team for ARML - basically filled with seniors who don't care about Math Team but wanted a day off from school.

For the first two years, I stayed at the bottom of the math team. My friends were moving up, yet I was moving down. It seemed like the end for me. I heard friends speak of my stupidity when it came to math, both directly and indirectly. I wasn't going to succeed.

I didn't give up however. I wasn't going to quit something I love that easily.

Junior year came, and I was given more chances, including Duke and Stanford. However, I completely failed those two tests. Seemed like a repeat again from previous years. Yet, I just kept on trying. 2 on AIME? I just thought to myself that I'm just bad at AIME. Eventually, after competing at small competitions like NYSML, I ended up on second highest team for ARML from our school.

Although I didn't achieve significant results, I was proud. I started out as a no-namer who couldn't do math in Math Team. Many people suggested that I should quit and devote the time into doing other things. Yet, I never gave up. If there was a slim chance for me to succeed, then I would take it. No matter how hard or rough the road might be, I'm willing to work towards success.

Where am I right now? I'm one of the five AAST Math Team Captains who runs the whole team (each person with different role). As Mu C member, our team placed 10th at Duke University competition and will be competing as Mu B at this Saturday's PUMaC. One of the other captains, who helps out organize teams, stated that if I worked harder this year, I might end up on the A team for ARML.




Why did I brag about my success? Because it was real, and it happened. I never believed that taking slim chances are worth the time. And sometimes, it's not worth the time if you fail. But, many people have a misconception: slim chance does not mean that you will fail; it's just harder to succeed. And believe me. You'll learn a lot of things on your journey to success, even if you end up failing.

Back onto my original argument, if you have a slim chance at succeeding, and if it's on something that you love, go for it. It worked out for me, and I'm pretty sure it worked out for many Starcraft players.



What others are telling you might be true. But always remember, that no matter what they say, no matter how much they discourage you, only you can determine the outcome. If you're clouded by their messages, then you will end up failing. But if you learn to ignore their messages and focus on your own goal, you will succeed.


Do I believe that I have a chance of getting into MIT? With 3.519 GPA and 34 superscore ACT? Slim, even with good extracurriculars and recommendations.

If I fail to get in, will I be depressed? No. It means that I wasn't good enough this time around. Never implies that I can't apply to MIT through transfer/graduate. Wherever I end up, I will make the most out of it.



Am I not going to apply to MIT simply because others are telling me that I will fail no matter what?

Hell no.




Go for your dream. Because if you fail along the way, you can always say, 'Well, at least I tried.'

****
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Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
November 19 2010 04:43 GMT
#2
This was pretty damn inspiring, SNM. Especially the whole 0 < 0.000000000001 part
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shieldbreak
Profile Joined February 2010
United States406 Posts
November 19 2010 04:44 GMT
#3
AAST? Dude, are you from BCA?
Many a sleepless nights were spent doing absolutely nothing.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 19 2010 04:45 GMT
#4
On November 19 2010 13:44 shieldbreak wrote:
AAST? Dude, are you from BCA?

Yes, I am. If you're from the same school and want to identify myself/yourself, PM please.
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guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
November 19 2010 04:45 GMT
#5
nice.

dont ever let other people define you, or tell you what your limits are
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2195 Posts
November 19 2010 04:46 GMT
#6
Awesome attitude, and if that attitude is reflected anywhere in your application, I'd say you have a decent shot. Good luck with your applications.
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Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
November 19 2010 04:48 GMT
#7
I'm applying to MIT, but it will probably be the last application I fill out.

I know what you mean by slim chances; I submitted a project for Siemens and Intel this year.
Siemens results are out.

Last year two people in my school made Siemens and two years ago four people made it. This year, no one in my school made it. Not a single person in the city made it.
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
November 19 2010 04:51 GMT
#8
So why are you applying to MIT? I mean, what about it attracts you?
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
November 19 2010 04:58 GMT
#9
I agree with a lot of the sentiment in this blog; i cannot stress that enough.

However, there are some things you also need to consider rather then just 0<0.0000000001
What is the cost of taking that chance? If there is no cost, then go for it!

But if it is like the lottery, is it worth playing? Sure you have 0 chance to win if you don't play, and a small chance is better then nothing... but is it worth the price? Apps cost money and time. Time you could spend tightening up essays for other schools etc.


And if you made it into MIT, would you be happy there? It's easy to say yes, but being that competitive and that hard..... is the price you have to pay to get MIT on your diploma over .... whatever other school worth it?
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 19 2010 04:59 GMT
#10
On November 19 2010 13:51 d3_crescentia wrote:
So why are you applying to MIT? I mean, what about it attracts you?

For some people, if a mountain is there in front of them they want to climb it
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
November 19 2010 04:59 GMT
#11
lol you're applying for hell (i'm a current student at MIT)

but I love your attitude, and go for it man. there's a surprising number of awesome people in hell, and i personally would love to have someone as motivated as you join our ranks.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 05:04:34
November 19 2010 04:59 GMT
#12
On November 19 2010 13:51 d3_crescentia wrote:
So why are you applying to MIT? I mean, what about it attracts you?

In general, the community. I've been to MIT once, and I know few people who went to MIT and shared their experiences with me. To me, it's a place where I can bring out my full potential without being limited by some stupid reason, say budget, space etc. You have so much resources: there's the dumpster where you can find old hardwares and use it for something else. And if you are stuck on the project due to whatever reason, there are many people who are willing to help you out with the project.

The school atmosphere is great, blahblahblah, but I really love how students are really 'relaxed' throughout their years. Maybe not so much during the exams, but most of the MIT students that I've met/talked to seemed relaxed and happy with what they were doing. My friend, Cherry Su (nickname), already found herself home at MIT; she took the old Apple monitor, which is incompatible with new Apple laptops, took the wires apart, soldered few things, and made it work (monitor courtesy of the dumpster). She didn't have the resource/time/space to do this back at BCA, especially since she was limited to doing school projects. Nowadays, when I see her blog, she's working on something new. Something amazing.

That last monitor mod made it onto hackaday and lifehacker. She's amazing.



And who makes roller coasters during their freshmen orientation? =P

There are many other things that attracts me; however it will be too long for me to write them out.


On November 19 2010 13:58 dogabutila wrote:
I agree with a lot of the sentiment in this blog; i cannot stress that enough.

However, there are some things you also need to consider rather then just 0<0.0000000001
What is the cost of taking that chance? If there is no cost, then go for it!

But if it is like the lottery, is it worth playing? Sure you have 0 chance to win if you don't play, and a small chance is better then nothing... but is it worth the price? Apps cost money and time. Time you could spend tightening up essays for other schools etc.


And if you made it into MIT, would you be happy there? It's easy to say yes, but being that competitive and that hard..... is the price you have to pay to get MIT on your diploma over .... whatever other school worth it?

It's definitely worth it. I've considered many things when I chose schools, and MIT is one place where I want to be.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 19 2010 05:03 GMT
#13
Hey Alex, MIT is my first choice too!

Also, shieldbreak, meet Alex. Alex, meet Rana.
:)
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
November 19 2010 05:07 GMT
#14
I was in a similar position last year. Up until my freshman year of highschool I was performing great. I was also pretty strong in math, started taking high school math in 6th and 7th grade. But then for some reason I just started slacking off, and my gpa dropped from a 4.0 to a 3.6 by the time I graduated. I had decent sat scores (2240) and really crappy extracurriculars. Anyway, I applied to a few schools, and didn't really expect to get into any of them except the in state ones. Incidentally, I got rejected from both Caltech and MIT, but it was a good learning experience. Anyways, you just have to be prepared for the fact that you probably won't get in, but who knows. There's always a chance. Anyways, I go in state now and its honestly not that bad. Free ride, easy grades (for med school) and now I have a little bit of perspective now. I understand that if I want to get into med school, I can't slack off like in high school. Does it blow that I didn't perform well enough to get into Caltech or MIT? Yes. But that's just more motivation for me to excel in college.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 19 2010 05:23 GMT
#15
WHOA I've met a lot of people who do math at AAST, so chances are I've met someone who knows you :O but I haven't kept in touch with them...

Good luck on your MIT application! You're definitely right not to let others discourage you from pursuing that goal; I know math can be tough and depressing at times, but it sounds like you have some serious persistence. Don't lose sight of your goal.
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crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 06:17:35
November 19 2010 05:26 GMT
#16
Is there a penalty for applying to multiple schools? Is there a reason NOT to apply?

As I recall, applying to colleges cost money and it wasn't that outrageously expensive (unless if you apply to a ton of college) so if you really want to go to MIT but have sub optimal grades it doesn't really cost you anything except for application fees.

On the chance you can't get in, you can always work your tail off, do really well during your first 2 semesters at college and give it a shot at transferring to MIT. At least for my university (its a decent school but it's no Ivy leaguer so YMMV), they mostly ignored my craptastic high school grades and only looked at my 3.8 gpa at my first semester at a local college.
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 05:39:23
November 19 2010 05:29 GMT
#17
Even if you don't get in as a freshman, remember that you have almost 2 more years in college to prove yourself and transfer.

edit: heh, someone else said it.. probably should read other posts more thoroughly

Looking forward to see if you make it in I like the attitude.
MarryMeSeanPlott
Profile Joined April 2010
United States42 Posts
November 19 2010 06:44 GMT
#18
My ACT is average.

With... 34 superscore ACT?

I don't understand. Which is it?

Regardless, you've got a shot at MIT. Probably not a good shot, but a shot. It's not like Caltech or anything. My friend got into MIT with just half a year of Calculus and a comparatively mediocre SAT (Something like 1300 out of 1600, I think?). Granted, she tried hard, had a good GPA, and good extracurriculars.

It's possible. Write a good essay. :-)
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 19 2010 06:48 GMT
#19
snm I don't know much about getting into top tier schools, but I wish ye the best of luck .
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 07:56:36
November 19 2010 07:54 GMT
#20
Yeah, I took your original comments as "I'll get into MIT sucker" lol. Not what you meant. THis is a great attitude, but I can't sustain it.

Therei s cost (opportunity cost) for applying, but the potential reward is probably higher for you

But, you can increase those numbers, increase odds, etc
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