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TLnet Poll - Hardest IEM Bracket?

Hardest IEM Bracket? :

4 - MC, JYP, ForGG, Lucifron, White-Ra, Cloud (5943)42%
2 - Mvp, Oz, Ace, Grubby, Targa, Adelscott, DBS (3627)26%
3 - Nestea, Killer, Puma, Socke, XlorD, Strelok (2321)16%
1 - Bomber, YongHwa, Naniwa, Real, Bly, Tarson (2262)16%

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NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
August 15 2012 02:39 GMT
#1
obvi group 4 XD
CarlMikael
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1043 Posts
August 15 2012 03:00 GMT
#2
4 - 1 - 2 - 3 in that order
waterglen
Profile Joined October 2009
United States103 Posts
August 15 2012 03:13 GMT
#3
I started by looking at group 1 and by the time I got to group 4 i was O_O
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 15 2012 03:21 GMT
#4
Group 4. The other groups have some real monsters but the rest are pushovers.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
August 15 2012 03:39 GMT
#5
Yeah, I picked group 4 because it's all around pretty danm solid which makes group play actually pretty brutal.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 15 2012 03:54 GMT
#6
all the groups are relatively hard to be honest
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 15 2012 04:44 GMT
#7
Group 4 is the hardest, although all groups look relatively good.
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Protocon
Profile Joined February 2010
United States255 Posts
August 15 2012 05:14 GMT
#8
i say 4231
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somguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Mexico6 Posts
August 15 2012 05:22 GMT
#9
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?
Balance is in motion.
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
August 15 2012 06:19 GMT
#10
White-ra will make us proud by just playing ;D!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
August 15 2012 07:26 GMT
#11
On August 15 2012 14:22 somguy wrote:
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?

People often consider the 'group of death' as the one with 2 or 3 big names in it, but often the rest are scrubs. I feel Group 4 is a legit group of death, the weakest players are probably Cloud and White-Ra and I can still see them winning games against the rest of the players in it.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sqorpion
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark384 Posts
August 15 2012 07:29 GMT
#12
On August 15 2012 14:22 somguy wrote:
Honestly, can someone explain to me why group 4 is tough? All the groups look evenish to me. They all have Koreans who at some point where dominant, but none of them are on a particular tear recently. The foreigners are for the most part people that at the high end of their play skill could compete with Koreans. A couple names I don't personally know much about (DBS, XlorD, Tarson) but all in all no group looks particularly stacked to me, what am I missing?


If you were thrown into one of these groups, which one would be the hardest for you?
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Xhiwi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
49 Posts
August 15 2012 09:50 GMT
#13
Definitely but I really hope ClouD is going to win this.
-insert kitschy quote here-
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
August 15 2012 09:52 GMT
#14
Group 4 is not the hardest, people always give White-Ra waaaaay too much credit. Not that he's a bad player but he hasnt been a threat to win anything in quit a while.
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
August 15 2012 10:11 GMT
#15
Is XlorD better than Stephano yet? :D
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 19:36:07
August 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#16
I really thought that group 3 looked quite hard, guess... RESULTS DISAGREE! Seriously though, I think that group 3 will be quite difficult.
User was warned for too many mimes.
RonsterMonster
Profile Joined August 2012
United States1 Post
August 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#17
I agree with docvoc, group 3 looks the hardest to me. Although group 4 is very tough as well!
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
August 15 2012 20:24 GMT
#18
On August 15 2012 12:54 kochanfe wrote:
all the groups are relatively hard to be honest

relative to what?
sceroh
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium182 Posts
August 15 2012 21:38 GMT
#19
i'd say 3412, but that's just my opinion
diokko
Profile Joined December 2010
26 Posts
August 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#20
Why is Naniwa even in group play.. he's a joke -- flaming other players accusing them of making him lose, give me a break. Otherwise, group 4 seems to be the hardest imo.
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