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On December 01 2022 07:16 RowdierBob wrote: Szczęsny‘s save was one of the best I’ve seen from the penalty spot in a long time. Messi hit that well. It wasn't nearly close enough to the corner though. The height was ok, but not the best either...
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On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place.
Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error.
Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick).
Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play.
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On December 01 2022 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:Whats that supposed to mean, how? Denmark also participated in the 2018 wc, in an almost identical group: France, Peru and Australia. They beat Peru and drew the other two games and advanced in second place. Then they lost in a penalty shootout against Croatia, who finished in second place.
Pressure of a world cup is completely different. This is not an easy tournament like the Euros where every country participating could win it. In the world cup only the big nations can go all the way
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On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play.
No offside rule would kill/change football as you know it. You would get a long ball fest for speedy players with not much skill running wild after camping in the opposition half. So you would have to start leaving people behind to cover for those (making defenders with less skill but more physical a premium to stop those guys). Tactics would change completly and would get in essence a different sport.
The offside rule isnt there to help defenders. If you think about it, a skilled attacker can avoid being caught offside. Think about inzaghi. Now think about bad attackers over the years that you would think that guy is terrible he cant stay on side to save his life. Thats part of the skill package of a forward. Changing the game because people are upset at a penalty call is not the way to go.
That should have not been a penalty regardless of VAR. It was poor refereeing and not an issue with var itself.
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Portuguese legend Luis Figo came on a Korean TV show ahead of Portugal - SK match (actually filmed before WC). + Show Spoiler +
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Yes, if anything a no offside rule would make football even more defensive than it already is. You’d need defenders sitting pretty deep to counter constant long balls and cherry picking.
I’m fine with offside the way it is. It can be frustrating to see a goal ruled out for having a finger in an offside spot but it at least makes the rule easy to adjudicate.
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Even if you take a margin of error or the whole body you have the same problem. It'll just be 1mm + the margin of error/body that gets called offside. There's no good solution.
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Norway28262 Posts
On December 01 2022 15:36 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:On December 01 2022 04:49 sharkie wrote: The world cup is different Whats that supposed to mean, how? Denmark also participated in the 2018 wc, in an almost identical group: France, Peru and Australia. They beat Peru and drew the other two games and advanced in second place. Then they lost in a penalty shootout against Croatia, who finished in second place. Pressure of a world cup is completely different. This is not an easy tournament like the Euros where every country participating could win it. In the world cup only the big nations can go all the way
But they performed well in the 2018 world cup, playing draws against both the team that ended #1 and the team that ended #2, and they advanced from a group that looked very similar to this one.
Even I who considered them a potential dark horse did not think they were likely to go particularly far - I thought they'd qualify from their group in second place and then most likely lose to Argentina in the ro16, but with a chance at creating an upset. That'd be an expected performance from them. Them getting 1 point from this group is shocking. It's not like Australia is a bigger football nation than Denmark is.
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Northern Ireland20726 Posts
On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play. If we’re going off VAR, body position and momentum need to be taken into account. Offside has gone from a judgement of the eyes, to machine precision, I’d introduce another element of eyes, namely letting refs make judgement calls from the images.
It’s not an exact science but it’s bogus when say, an attacker can be on the half turn, or even back-to-goal but is offside because of where their hand/shoulder is. Never mind that their momentum is the completely opposite direction of where they’re attacking into.
I like offside as a general rule. Gives slow, intelligent players a way to balance things out. Without it you’d either have teams sitting incredibly deep, or balls over the top to flying machines being incredibly hard. Football prospers because it caters for all sorts of size profiles and athletic capacities, and the offside rule plays its part in that.
I’d also like to see fouls tied to consequences, and more yellows/reds given without penalties or free kicks necessarily.
Case in point Argentina’s penalty. How heavy the contact was/wasn’t notwithstanding, Messi had made his effort on goal already. The ball was 15 foot in the air about to exit the field of play, it was physically impossible for anyone to actually collect that ball.
In a similar vein, happens all the time where an attacker can be close to the lines of play, hit a ball past a defend which is obviously going to go 20 metres away and be impossible to collect, only to win a penalty etc when they run into the defender/get tripped and fouled.
In such instances I’d by all means book/send off a player depending how severe cynical the foul is, but not necessarily give a penalty. If your last action is to have kicked a ball that is certainly going to be irretrievable, to me that play has already concluded.
It’s long felt off to me, but I think it’s only with VAR that one can actually reasonably assess (some) bits of play in that way
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On December 01 2022 17:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 15:36 sharkie wrote:On December 01 2022 05:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:On December 01 2022 04:49 sharkie wrote: The world cup is different Whats that supposed to mean, how? Denmark also participated in the 2018 wc, in an almost identical group: France, Peru and Australia. They beat Peru and drew the other two games and advanced in second place. Then they lost in a penalty shootout against Croatia, who finished in second place. Pressure of a world cup is completely different. This is not an easy tournament like the Euros where every country participating could win it. In the world cup only the big nations can go all the way But they performed well in the 2018 world cup, playing draws against both the team that ended #1 and the team that ended #2, and they advanced from a group that looked very similar to this one. Even I who considered them a potential dark horse did not think they were likely to go particularly far - I thought they'd qualify from their group in second place and then most likely lose to Argentina in the ro16, but with a chance at creating an upset. That'd be an expected performance from them. Them getting 1 point from this group is shocking. It's not like Australia is a bigger football nation than Denmark is.
I disagree completely. Their performance was nothing special in 2018 too and for me Mexico not advancing is a much bigger shock than Denmark only getting 1 point. Mexico had a long streak of making it out of groups in WC
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On December 01 2022 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote: And ya the penalty irks me too. I'd even prefer something like no pk but a yellow card for that kind of stuff - it is reckless behavior but it essentially happened after the ball was out of play.
I don't even think it's reckless. This is a completely bog standard play from Szczęsny, and 9 times out of 10 that hand hits a shoulder or nothing at all and it doesn't even register as an event worth thinking about for anybody.
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On December 01 2022 18:09 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play. If we’re going off VAR, body position and momentum need to be taken into account. Offside has gone from a judgement of the eyes, to machine precision, I’d introduce another element of eyes, namely letting refs make judgement calls from the images. It’s not an exact science but it’s bogus when say, an attacker can be on the half turn, or even back-to-goal but is offside because of where their hand/shoulder is. Never mind that their momentum is the completely opposite direction of where they’re attacking into. I like offside as a general rule. Gives slow, intelligent players a way to balance things out. Without it you’d either have teams sitting incredibly deep, or balls over the top to flying machines being incredibly hard. Football prospers because it caters for all sorts of size profiles and athletic capacities, and the offside rule plays its part in that. I’d also like to see fouls tied to consequences, and more yellows/reds given without penalties or free kicks necessarily. Case in point Argentina’s penalty. How heavy the contact was/wasn’t notwithstanding, Messi had made his effort on goal already. The ball was 15 foot in the air about to exit the field of play, it was physically impossible for anyone to actually collect that ball. In a similar vein, happens all the time where an attacker can be close to the lines of play, hit a ball past a defend which is obviously going to go 20 metres away and be impossible to collect, only to win a penalty etc when they run into the defender/get tripped and fouled. In such instances I’d by all means book/send off a player depending how severe cynical the foul is, but not necessarily give a penalty. If your last action is to have kicked a ball that is certainly going to be irretrievable, to me that play has already concluded. It’s long felt off to me, but I think it’s only with VAR that one can actually reasonably assess (some) bits of play in that way
If we are going to redefine rules I would like a rule to send someone off for 5mins or sth. First yellow -> booked. Second yellow -> double booked and 5mins off. Third yellow -> red. You are out. Power play in 11 vs 11 don't have the same impact as in 5v5 like in hockey or handball. But it leaves a certain hole in team which needs to be plugged making it greater tactical effort. Also with a double yellow the Refs are free to punish smaller fouls/ time play/ mouthing off and stuff like that
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On December 01 2022 18:38 Mikau313 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote: And ya the penalty irks me too. I'd even prefer something like no pk but a yellow card for that kind of stuff - it is reckless behavior but it essentially happened after the ball was out of play. I don't even think it's reckless. This is a completely bog standard play from Szczęsny, and 9 times out of 10 that hand hits a shoulder or nothing at all and it doesn't even register as an event worth thinking about for anybody. Exactly. Just cos Messi went down like he'd been stabbed in his head it doesn't mean brushing a finger against a guy's face is a penalty or somehow dangerous play. It was absolutely nothing, and the fact that it was given as a penalty under VAR and the referee agreed is total nonsense. Either both are incompetent and should be fired immediately or they are going home with a decent chunk of Messi's spare tax money
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I'm a bit scared for today. I hope Spain doesn't do the Frenchie and field their worst 11 against Japan.
CRO vs BEL should be a good game. Hope they both show some attacking football
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On December 01 2022 19:02 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 18:09 WombaT wrote:On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play. If we’re going off VAR, body position and momentum need to be taken into account. Offside has gone from a judgement of the eyes, to machine precision, I’d introduce another element of eyes, namely letting refs make judgement calls from the images. It’s not an exact science but it’s bogus when say, an attacker can be on the half turn, or even back-to-goal but is offside because of where their hand/shoulder is. Never mind that their momentum is the completely opposite direction of where they’re attacking into. I like offside as a general rule. Gives slow, intelligent players a way to balance things out. Without it you’d either have teams sitting incredibly deep, or balls over the top to flying machines being incredibly hard. Football prospers because it caters for all sorts of size profiles and athletic capacities, and the offside rule plays its part in that. I’d also like to see fouls tied to consequences, and more yellows/reds given without penalties or free kicks necessarily. Case in point Argentina’s penalty. How heavy the contact was/wasn’t notwithstanding, Messi had made his effort on goal already. The ball was 15 foot in the air about to exit the field of play, it was physically impossible for anyone to actually collect that ball. In a similar vein, happens all the time where an attacker can be close to the lines of play, hit a ball past a defend which is obviously going to go 20 metres away and be impossible to collect, only to win a penalty etc when they run into the defender/get tripped and fouled. In such instances I’d by all means book/send off a player depending how severe cynical the foul is, but not necessarily give a penalty. If your last action is to have kicked a ball that is certainly going to be irretrievable, to me that play has already concluded. It’s long felt off to me, but I think it’s only with VAR that one can actually reasonably assess (some) bits of play in that way If we are going to redefine rules I would like a rule to send someone off for 5mins or sth. First yellow -> booked. Second yellow -> double booked and 5mins off. Third yellow -> red. You are out. Power play in 11 vs 11 don't have the same impact as in 5v5 like in hockey or handball. But it leaves a certain hole in team which needs to be plugged making it greater tactical effort. Also with a double yellow the Refs are free to punish smaller fouls/ time play/ mouthing off and stuff like that
In football there is time wasting done so easily that 5min is nothing
On December 01 2022 19:58 Harris1st wrote: I'm a bit scared for today. I hope Spain doesn't do the Frenchie and field their worst 11 against Japan.
CRO vs BEL should be a good game. Hope they both show some attacking football
Have you seen Belgium play this world cup? They have performed worse than denmark
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On December 01 2022 21:00 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 19:02 Harris1st wrote:On December 01 2022 18:09 WombaT wrote:On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play. If we’re going off VAR, body position and momentum need to be taken into account. Offside has gone from a judgement of the eyes, to machine precision, I’d introduce another element of eyes, namely letting refs make judgement calls from the images. It’s not an exact science but it’s bogus when say, an attacker can be on the half turn, or even back-to-goal but is offside because of where their hand/shoulder is. Never mind that their momentum is the completely opposite direction of where they’re attacking into. I like offside as a general rule. Gives slow, intelligent players a way to balance things out. Without it you’d either have teams sitting incredibly deep, or balls over the top to flying machines being incredibly hard. Football prospers because it caters for all sorts of size profiles and athletic capacities, and the offside rule plays its part in that. I’d also like to see fouls tied to consequences, and more yellows/reds given without penalties or free kicks necessarily. Case in point Argentina’s penalty. How heavy the contact was/wasn’t notwithstanding, Messi had made his effort on goal already. The ball was 15 foot in the air about to exit the field of play, it was physically impossible for anyone to actually collect that ball. In a similar vein, happens all the time where an attacker can be close to the lines of play, hit a ball past a defend which is obviously going to go 20 metres away and be impossible to collect, only to win a penalty etc when they run into the defender/get tripped and fouled. In such instances I’d by all means book/send off a player depending how severe cynical the foul is, but not necessarily give a penalty. If your last action is to have kicked a ball that is certainly going to be irretrievable, to me that play has already concluded. It’s long felt off to me, but I think it’s only with VAR that one can actually reasonably assess (some) bits of play in that way If we are going to redefine rules I would like a rule to send someone off for 5mins or sth. First yellow -> booked. Second yellow -> double booked and 5mins off. Third yellow -> red. You are out. Power play in 11 vs 11 don't have the same impact as in 5v5 like in hockey or handball. But it leaves a certain hole in team which needs to be plugged making it greater tactical effort. Also with a double yellow the Refs are free to punish smaller fouls/ time play/ mouthing off and stuff like that In football there is time wasting done so easily that 5min is nothing
Ahh yes while we are at it. Please please please introduce stopping time xD
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On December 01 2022 21:00 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 19:02 Harris1st wrote:On December 01 2022 18:09 WombaT wrote:On December 01 2022 12:47 RKC wrote:On December 01 2022 04:57 Dan HH wrote: I feel like the rules are lagging behind the tech. That pen would almost never be given before VAR and for good reason, it's unfair to give an 85% chance to score when the contact happens on a 0% chance.
Same with some offside situations I've seen this WC, if the feet of the attacker are behind the defender's but his shoulder is 2cm offside that's not an advantage at all.
Overall it's still a net positive now, but I'd like to see the rules updated so they get more in line with the problems they were trying to solve in the first place. Yes, this is what I've been thinking too. The problem is not VAR, but out-dated rules that were likely formulated in a way that compensates for human error. Minor fouls within penalty box - Introduce indirect free kicks within the box or direct free kicks just outside the box (rather than penalty kick). Offside - Modify the rule to be only triggered if attacker's entire body is pass the defender. Personally, I feel the whole notion of offside rather anti-football. Why should the field of play be reduced simply by player's positioning? It's ridiculous that an entire area of the pitch between defenders and keeper become a 'no fly zone'. I understand the rule is meant to prevent attackers simply 'camping' at spots high up the field - this can be prevented by the 'entire body' modicafion (but I still don't think this is necessary). A lot of cool goals from defensive splitting passes have been denied simply because the attacker was an inch or two ahead of the defender in this WC (and perhaps elsewhere where VAR is used). Even as someone who plays football as a holding midfielder and defender (semi-professionally many years ago), I feel the offside rule makes for lazy defending. The rule allows slow, ponderous, lesser skilled defenders from neutralising superior technically skilled attackers. Yes, I understand there's a certain skill involved in coordinating defensive lines (tactics and teamwork), but defenders' skill should ideally be focused more on marking attackers rather than creating artificial 'no fly zones' to render marking unnecessary. Positional play should be about cutting off passing lines to forward attackers rather than simply 'removing' an attacker out of play. If we’re going off VAR, body position and momentum need to be taken into account. Offside has gone from a judgement of the eyes, to machine precision, I’d introduce another element of eyes, namely letting refs make judgement calls from the images. It’s not an exact science but it’s bogus when say, an attacker can be on the half turn, or even back-to-goal but is offside because of where their hand/shoulder is. Never mind that their momentum is the completely opposite direction of where they’re attacking into. I like offside as a general rule. Gives slow, intelligent players a way to balance things out. Without it you’d either have teams sitting incredibly deep, or balls over the top to flying machines being incredibly hard. Football prospers because it caters for all sorts of size profiles and athletic capacities, and the offside rule plays its part in that. I’d also like to see fouls tied to consequences, and more yellows/reds given without penalties or free kicks necessarily. Case in point Argentina’s penalty. How heavy the contact was/wasn’t notwithstanding, Messi had made his effort on goal already. The ball was 15 foot in the air about to exit the field of play, it was physically impossible for anyone to actually collect that ball. In a similar vein, happens all the time where an attacker can be close to the lines of play, hit a ball past a defend which is obviously going to go 20 metres away and be impossible to collect, only to win a penalty etc when they run into the defender/get tripped and fouled. In such instances I’d by all means book/send off a player depending how severe cynical the foul is, but not necessarily give a penalty. If your last action is to have kicked a ball that is certainly going to be irretrievable, to me that play has already concluded. It’s long felt off to me, but I think it’s only with VAR that one can actually reasonably assess (some) bits of play in that way If we are going to redefine rules I would like a rule to send someone off for 5mins or sth. First yellow -> booked. Second yellow -> double booked and 5mins off. Third yellow -> red. You are out. Power play in 11 vs 11 don't have the same impact as in 5v5 like in hockey or handball. But it leaves a certain hole in team which needs to be plugged making it greater tactical effort. Also with a double yellow the Refs are free to punish smaller fouls/ time play/ mouthing off and stuff like that In football there is time wasting done so easily that 5min is nothing Show nested quote +On December 01 2022 19:58 Harris1st wrote: I'm a bit scared for today. I hope Spain doesn't do the Frenchie and field their worst 11 against Japan.
CRO vs BEL should be a good game. Hope they both show some attacking football Have you seen Belgium play this world cup? They have performed worse than denmark
I've not watched any Denmark games so I can't comment on the comparison, but our play in the game vs Morocco was a big step forward compared to the game vs Canada. Up until the 1-0 we were doing 'ok'.
Shame Onana isn't playing vs Croatia as he was a big reason for the improved play.
Just saw the starting eleven and Martinez has benched Hazard and Lukaku (???). Starting with Mertens (???) and Trossard. Trossard pls play like you did vs Liverpool buddy. Witsel still playing as well despite his abysmal performances.
The upside is he can drop E. Hazard and Lukaku in the team in minute 60 for some last ditch attacks, the question is what the score will be by then.
And yes I'm hoping for E. Hazard to play, didn't think that would be the case before this cup but he has been mostly fine in these games, better than Witsel and De Bruyne!
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The supermarkets around me are putting their Red Devils merch on sale already. Does not bode well for today lmao
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Hazard is doing a great job for being out of form imo
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Jesus that was hilarious and depressing by Canada
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