I think there's an issue with Elo ratings in TLPD right now and how they work internationally. Basically, since everyone starts with an arbitrary 2000 points, in these early stages players get as many points for beating a weak foreigner as a strong Korean player. Eventually this will sort itself out as the best players take points from everyone else, but since the K value is relatively low (20 iirc) and Koreans typically only play foreigners in certain tournaments, this could take a long time - months/years. Because of this effect right now I don't think the Elo ratings are very meaningful.

Solutions to this include:
a.) Keeping everyone's WOL rating as a starting point instead of resetting to 2000. I think this is fair since skill seems to have carried over fairly well from WOL to HOTS.
b.) Giving new players a variable starting Elo (perhaps based on ladder rank). Probably too much work.
c.) Increase K to 40 or 60 until things stabilize a bit. 20 might be too low anyway.

ROOTIllusion

United States1060 Posts

May 06 2013 03:05 GMT

#2402

My last 3 wins in acer team story cup vs yugioh x2 and catz aren't recorded, also im not sure if my match vs vibe in mlg a few months ago where i lost 2-3 is purposely not recorded or not; thanks.

Wodger

Scotland380 Posts

May 06 2013 07:57 GMT

#2403

It's in the hots beta DB

Sjokola

Netherlands800 Posts

May 06 2013 12:43 GMT

#2404

Thanks for all the hard work you TLPD-guys!!

I have two points both from liquibet.

If you click the on the stats of a player it still sends you to korean or international player database. I don't know if it's working as intended but I think the Hots database would be more appropriate. And the VS button in the middle still sends you to the BW database.

I've looked back a few pages and didn't see any other post about it.
Keep up the great work!

Dazed.

Canada3301 Posts

May 07 2013 06:44 GMT

#2405

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/games/163943_Jaedong_vs_NonY Nony and Jaedong have their races swapped in this game and the preceding one.

JBright

Vancouver14381 Posts

May 07 2013 21:12 GMT

#2406

This is more of a general TL thing but it relates to TLPD. Is it possible to add HotS Global to the results I get from the TL search bar?

ex: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=jaedong only show BW Korean, SC2 Korean, and SC2 International

Epoxide

Magic Woods9326 Posts

May 07 2013 21:21 GMT

#2407

I want the feature for SOSPA too but I'm not sure if GMarshal forwarded my request

imallinson

United Kingdom3482 Posts

May 07 2013 23:40 GMT

#2408

On a similarish note what is going to happen to the player ranking in the sidebar? Currently its still showing the top five from WoL.

Epoxide

Magic Woods9326 Posts

May 07 2013 23:57 GMT

#2409

I requested that too haha

tofucake

Hyrule19264 Posts

May 08 2013 00:38 GMT

#2410

I attempted to fix it but even though I have a button I can't

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

May 08 2013 02:51 GMT

#2411

On May 08 2013 08:40 imallinson wrote:
On a similarish note what is going to happen to the player ranking in the sidebar? Currently its still showing the top five from WoL.

There was an issue with HotS db giving screwy results because it wasn't fully populated so we're holding off on it, we'll transition in the coming months.

On May 08 2013 06:12 JBright wrote:
This is more of a general TL thing but it relates to TLPD. Is it possible to add HotS Global to the results I get from the TL search bar?

ex: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=jaedong only show BW Korean, SC2 Korean, and SC2 International

It was on my to-do list, I either forgot or ran into a technical limitation. I'll bother PoP/R1CH and see what happens :-P

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

May 11 2013 21:47 GMT

#2412

Why does the TLPD ranking on the sidebar still use the WoL database? That means it hasn't been relevant for like three months now, or is there something I am missing?

Noam

Israel2209 Posts

May 11 2013 21:57 GMT

#2413

~~Click the Sidebar Settings... button on the right column. You can set the database for the ranking.~~

My bad, still doesn't change anything.

Epoxide

Magic Woods9326 Posts

May 11 2013 22:04 GMT

#2414

On May 12 2013 06:57 Noam wrote:
Click the Sidebar Settings... button on the right column. You can set the database for the ranking.

Either you can't or I am missing something.

Scroll up a bit on this page for more of this.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

May 11 2013 22:21 GMT

#2415

On May 12 2013 06:57 Noam wrote:
Click the Sidebar Settings... button on the right column. You can set the database for the ranking.

It didn't change anything for me. Names stay the same, looks like it still pulls the ranking from the WoL database, although I have no idea if that still is the WoL database or some kind of WoL/HotS merger as the top five keep changing without any of them seeming particularly worthy of the top five ranking at the moment. That's why I asked if there was something I didn't know about.

HotS ranking with PandaTank as best foreigner is also fun. :D

DownMaxX

Canada1311 Posts

May 16 2013 21:36 GMT

#2416

LucifroN is currently being listed as 'unranked' ELO, despite recently having the highest ELO of all non-Koreans and 44-16 stats.

Upon further inspection, it seems everyone who played in the WCS EU today are listed as unranked, including Lucifron, MVP, SaSe and Nerchio. They've all played more than the minimum number of games.

Epoxide

Magic Woods9326 Posts

May 16 2013 23:35 GMT

#2417

Someone forgot to recalculate ELO. I fixed it.

bilivaxyto

Korea (North)28 Posts

May 17 2013 01:39 GMT

#2418

can we have korean and international separated like before? Seeing lucifron and pandatank as the highest ranked players in the world is kind of silly

Shellshock

United States97277 Posts

May 17 2013 05:36 GMT

#2419

Can it be changed so that the name Killer defaults to the Chilean zerg Killer rather than the Korean protoss formerly known as Killer aka Swagger? Swagger already TLPDizes to (P)

Swagger and TLPDizing (P)

Killer links to the same profile. I don't think there are any other Killers playing sc2. Or am I wrong? The other Killer you have to use (Z)

ClarityKiLLeR at the moment. Thanks!

imallinson

United Kingdom3482 Posts

May 17 2013 12:10 GMT

#2420

On May 17 2013 10:39 bilivaxyto wrote:
can we have korean and international separated like before? Seeing lucifron and pandatank as the highest ranked players in the world is kind of silly

That's more because there aren't a ton of HotS games so far. The rankings will start to make more sense as time goes on. Already the koreans are filtering towards the top of the rankings.