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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2140446522?page=2
Currently on the 1.3 PTR Blizzard has removed losses from player profiles that are below Masters League. This is yet another step to remove any sense of "overall" skill from players in addition to the convoluted Division/League system. Rather than start a hundred new threads on the official PTR forums I jumped into one that was already two pages long.
Blizzard has reverted unpopular non-gameplay changes in the past based on public outcry (think back to your real name being shown on the official boards). So if you are unhappy with this change please voice your opinion in this thread. Again, I didn't start the thread, but I did jump in at page 2 to help keep the thread alive. Blizzard is more likely to take notice if all the feedback is in one place.
Here was my suggestion and feel free to leave yours as well on the PTR forums.
A compromise would be that your losses don't go on your record until you get out of Bronze (or possibly Silver) league. That way the people that are new to the game and losing a lot don't build up this huge pile of losses that discourages them from trying to get better. By the time you get to Silver (or Gold if you extend the courtesy to Silver league) you should be confident enough in your play that your losses are no longer a big deal.
Please voice your opinion on the official boards if you don't agree with this change. Post your feedback here:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2140446522?page=2
Edit: Don't think you can get around this change by simply taking your wins and subtracting them from your total games. Blizzard thought of that and has also removed your total games played from your profile as well.
Edit: Added poll.
Poll: PTR 1.3 removes losses and total games from your profile.I dislike the change, we need more information not less. (1087) 51% I like the change, it will make people ladder more. (609) 28% I could care less about this change. (272) 13% This change should only be for Bronze League. (173) 8% 2141 total votes Your vote: PTR 1.3 removes losses and total games from your profile. (Vote): I like the change, it will make people ladder more. (Vote): I dislike the change, we need more information not less. (Vote): This change should only be for Bronze League. (Vote): I could care less about this change.
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Why would they do that ?! It's stupid !
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Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality.
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This reminds me of children's sports where everyone gets a trophy win or lose.
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So you can only see your number of wins but not your losses? What use is that? Could someone please upload screenshots, I don't have access to the PTR.
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On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality.
A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios.
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On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. And sadly they are right, *sigh*
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On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios. youll always have a positive ratio in masters
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On February 27 2011 00:55 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote:On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios. youll always have a positive ratio in masters For that matter you'll always have a positive ratio...
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On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote: A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios. I'm guessing your logic is spot on, but Blizzard set the bar too high by making your losses only available to Masters and above. It might be good for the game for your losses to not count while you are in Bronze league. At that level you are trying to learn the fundamentals of the game and a huge pile of losses is demoralizing. However by the time you hit Silver or Gold you have the basics figured out and should be learning to view your losses more objectively rather than personally.
If you disagree with the change head to the thread on the PTR boards and let Blizzard know about it!
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On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios.
I know that but I'm in Diamond and I don't care about win:loss ratio; I want to see my stats so I know whether I'm improving or not. Also, if I have bad stats, I'll care less about them because they're already bad. If Blizzard really want to implement this feature, they should make it so that each player has an option to hide their stats.
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On February 27 2011 00:57 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:55 Sfydjklm wrote:On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote:On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios. youll always have a positive ratio in masters For that matter you'll always have a positive ratio... har de har har. I guess what i said wasnt entirely true tho. I guess there is room for unique cases where someone who played a million games can be masters without having a positive winratio
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That suggestion instead of what blizzard plan to do would make it more noob friendly. The more noob friendly it is, the more noobs that will stick around. Its in Blizzard's best interests to do this, the way I see it.
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Tested and confirmed: In your own profile, only your wins appear. In your ladder, only your wins appear.
There is no way to check your own losses if you aren't Masters.
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On February 27 2011 01:01 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:57 dcberkeley wrote:On February 27 2011 00:55 Sfydjklm wrote:On February 27 2011 00:53 Laggy wrote:On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. A lot of people care about their win loss ratio and won't play the game if it's bad because they feel they can't get better so they don't advertise to their friends and say they don't like the game. So in my opinion it is to generate more sales and or to keep people interested in the game. Which if you are in Master's you like the game either way so they'll show it to you cause you like SC2 enough that you don't care much about your ratios. youll always have a positive ratio in masters For that matter you'll always have a positive ratio... har de har har. I guess what i said wasnt entirely true tho. I guess there is room for unique cases where someone who played a million games can be masters without having a positive winratio No I'm pretty sure you can never have a negative win ratio. 0 wins / 500 losses = positive ratio
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On February 27 2011 00:53 FALAPARK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 00:49 Lennon wrote: Blizzard seem to think that anyone in Diamond and below are spoilt children who can't handle reality. And sadly they are right, *sigh*
And sadly this statement about sums it up. The matchmaker tries to put everyone at close to a 50% win ratio anyway so why would losses showing up drive people away? People need to get over themselves.
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Should have just made it a toggle thing. I really dislike this, because now it's difficult to see when you're going on a bad losing streak, and to keep up with your W:L Ratio
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It's a good idea of Blizzard in my opinion. I know it's my weakness, but I'm afraid to ladder sometimes just because I dislike getting a winpercentage under 50% or whatever. Being able to play without drama like that can be nice.
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On February 27 2011 01:04 Kinmaul wrote: Tested and confirmed: In your own profile, only your wins appear. In your ladder, only your wins appear.
There is no way to check your own losses if you aren't Masters.
total games minus wins
boom, losses calculated....
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Total games - wins = your losses..... ?
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