+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2011 22:22 pevergreen wrote:
The Spartan was sleeping soundly, dreaming of how his master plan would come together, how he could finally once again, pull a spartan, when his door was kicked in, waking him from the sweet dreams he was having. The intruder quickly pounced on the surprised Bumatlarge, who was unable to react quickly enough to stop the intruder from rudely shoving a banana down his throat. The intruder held it there for a few minutes, until Bumatlarge's struggles finally ceased.
Kagemusha was on his way home. He'd had a hectic day, been under fire for a bit. To be honest with himself, he was kind of glad for the relaxing walk home. It had been a stressful few months, with strong roles here and having victory snatched from his grasp when pevergreen pushed for his lynch.
"There was no way he knew that I was the dark one." Kage thought, "It was just pure luck. I should have won that game. I'm never working with pever again."
Lost in his thought, Kagemusha didn't stop in time, and bumped into another man.
"I'm sorry, I didn't see you there." said Kage.
"Its quite alright, my friend. I say, I picked up this sack earlier today at the markets, and its simply beautiful. Here, take a look."
As Kage got up on his tiptoes to see inside, TinCow pushed him, and Kage fell in.
Quickly tying up the sack, Ace started to run away in a silly fashion. It added style to the whole thing, in his mind.
As he rounded the last corner before leaving town, a shadowy figure dropped from the roof in front of him.
However, Ace did not see. He let out a long breath as the area began to lighten, the moon appearing through a break in the clouds. It would be his last. Ace’s brain barely had time to register the glint of moonlight on steel as the blade whistled through the air, neatly passing through his throat. He coughed and gurgled, falling back on the ground, blood staining the pavement as it flowed outward from the wound. The killer watched silently, half in shadow, until all sound and movement ceased, before slipping out of the area, leaving the corpse of Ace behind.
On February 14 2011 16:47 pevergreen wrote:The town was in a foul mood. Cries about the "Curse of Kagemusha" were heard, and to some they fell on deaf ears, others listened and thought, but most simply heard and ignored. kitaman was browsing the web, taking a break from participating in the conversation. He just got an email from his best friend in the whole world. It was a link to a cool new website. When the page finally loaded, kitaman dropped his laptop. He had started convulsing. His hands and legs contorted and began to flail around. He dropped from his seat and foam came out of his mouth. Unfortunately for him, no one managed to help him in time. As they carried the body of kitaman out, a face in the crowd saw it. " pevergreen died?" Multiple people nodded in confirmation. The man's eyes narrowed. "This is all I have to say:" he said, On February 15 2011 21:11 pevergreen wrote:
Gregoshi was ruminating in his room that night, wondering who the mafia could possibly be. He was so deep in thought, however, he failed to notice that someone opened the door and casually walked in. The only thing BrownBear noticed was a hand reaching over his shoulder with a napkin in its hand, and the sweet smell of chloroform.
BrownBear collapsed without a sound.
The assailant dragged BrownBear to the kitchen, where BrownBear was promptly stuffed into the sausage grinder. The assailant chuckled evilly, and set to work on the now ground-up BrownBear. Come morning, the forum cook entered the kitchen and noticed a platter of tantalizing burgers with a sign that read "Bear Burgers: Serve bare!"
The man threw some coins onto the table with a clatter as he got up and put on his coat. He stumbled to the door of the bar, the waitress giving him a harsh glare as he noisily exited. Once on the street, he was the subject of even more derision, the target of angry stares and barely concealed laughter as he staggered down the street catching himself on walls and light posts to stop from falling. Askthepizzaguy didn’t care though, the deaths of some of his closest friends had hit him hard, and he’d spent the last few days trying to drown his sorrow. It didn’t seem to be working, and it also didn’t do anything to get rid of the fear he felt inside. He’d had heard some of the deaths were murders, and that scared him. Turning sideways into an alleyway he used as a shortcut, Node wondered when the town had gotten so dangerous. Lost in thought, he at first didn’t notice the black shape that silently followed him down the narrow passageway. Looking back on a sudden impulse, he saw the silhouette, menacing, blocking the light from the street he had just left. His eyes widened, all he’d heard about the murders coming back to him in a sudden rush, turning and trying to run as quickly as he could in his inebriated state. He didn’t get far though, managing only three steps before falling forward onto the wet pavement, the impact causing him to violently retch as well.
I felt bad for Node, as I stood over his prone form, almost feeling pity for the wretch beneath me. “But hey, a job’s a job,” I thought to myself, smiling as I pulled out my knife, “He must’ve done something wrong for someone to want him dead, and at least this way he won’t choke to death on his own vomit”. It didn’t take long for him to die once the knife pierced his heart, and wiping it off afterwards on his coat, I thought he looked very peaceful and relaxed. If only we could all go like that.
As the town gathered, the day of voting began. Before discussion could properly begin, Andres was planning his drinking for the night. Having gotten a draft plan from one of his drinking buddies, he was just putting the final touches to a night out, when he got an email from a friend. It contained a picture so vile to him that his body started to convulse. Within moments why had died.
As people looked at his screen, they tried to figure out how a picture of a bottle of Heineken could kill a man.
I've split the posts as best I can. Now all we need to do is compare the writing style to see who did what.
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Aidnai:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch.
I see that there are only 3 scum, and there's no abstaining. We're almost certainly gonna be lynching a lot of townies this game. KP will be our best indicator of lynch success it looks like, though if we kill the GF we may not realize immediately.
I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business:
Vote: ELITECubWarman8
for being new and having such a long fricking name. Random vote. I don't approve but it doesn't mean anything really.On February 11 2011 14:34 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 13:50 Coagulation wrote:
We should lynch zerroth
because the last game
completely inactive
only posted/vote to avoid modkill etc
Lets get the inactives out now Oh WTF zerroth is playing? he got modkilled I thought he was doing a 1 game ban right now. Hmm... I guess that will start after this game then. And, I suck Kita? I'm guessing this is just your character talking... + Show Spoiler +lol you shot BC twice lol  + Show Spoiler +although the first time was justifiable :/ @Ace: I agree 27/3 is pretty stacked. Since the OP specifically says Mafia is 2 grunts + Godfather, I'm guessing there's a third party. Possibly mafia can recruit, possibly there are "townies" that win with scum (can't remember the term for that). Or as you say, OP scum roles. I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately. Nothing too important here but not spam. Kind of wishy washy comment at the end. 'I would help contribute but I don't have time. I want to appear good though so I'll say it.'On February 11 2011 15:37 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 15:23 Believer wrote:On February 11 2011 13:54 Coagulation wrote:
why would you lynch someone who is a KNOWN active poster/contributor day 1?
and leave lurkers alone.
Are you kidding me? Everyone has been new at some point, cut them some slack. Chill out! Spoiler-tagging for long quote. :') + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 15:04 why wrote:I've read a couple of pever's game and it looks like there are tons of different alignments in play. For example, here is the role list for the Revenge of Irishmore which resulted in a cult victory (I think, there were multiple endings): + Show Spoiler +Mafia members:
A Very Super Market
Askthepizzaguy
Csargo
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Australian Cult Members:
Methos
YLC
atheotes
Kiwi Cult Member:
atheotes
Scottish killers:
Thermal Mercury
Warman
Doctors:
Dr. Yaseikhaan
Lord Winter the intern
Renata the Emergency Room specialist.
Joooray the Pyschiatrist
French Kidnapper:
Sigurd
Arsonist:
Reenk Roink
Original carer of Wee Sean:
Sasaki Kojiro
Town Drunk:
GeneralHankerchief
Priest:
Centurion1
Queen:
Chaotix
Special Townie:
Diamondeye
Detective:
Scienter Pretty sure that is 2 cults and a mafia team, and that was when there were 5 mafia members... I think we have to be ready for anything. Anyway, back to the actual game. I don't know how you usually play, coag, but you are reacting really really defensively to votes that were little more than jokes that popped up because people were bored. Not sure if you usually react this way or there's some history involved, but its definitely setting off alarm bells. And GGQ, I too would like at least some explanation of your vote on coag. Everyone else has at least a sentence explaining their vote. Come on now, wouldn't you get aggravated if you were accused of something you were not? He's probably just a bit on edge at the moment, let him cool off and he'll show a valuable asset in the future. :') First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst... Why, thanks for doing that extra research. I'll tentatively assume we're dealing with cult(s) for now. Did you happen to see what kind of KP or abilities the cults had? Sorry for not looking myself, but I'm trying to develop a function/algorithim for a spreadsheet for work at the moment... Again, nothing significant here that I can see but it isn't spam. Speculation on the setup is always good I suppose when theres not much else to talk about. That little 'I would contribute but I don't have time' comment pops up again. I really don't like it.On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote:
I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread?
I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched.
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Thanks!
Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 16:51 Node wrote:On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote:
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Coagulation is generally known for being spammy and in general terrible. That's not to say it's entirely true, but it's what he's known for. However, he often has decent reads on who is mafia, but isn't really able to back them up with proper analysis and arguments. For instance, in XXXVI he correctly identified about half of the scum team in his posts. Everybody ignored him, and I can't blame them for doing so. The rest of his posts were mostly spam and defense of himself when he was called out for being spammy. His play is ordinary so far. Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote:
So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum? So let me get this straight... You ask for meta on Coag because he's acting strange, Node gives it to you, then all the sudden Node is scum for buddying up to Coag who is all of a sudden likely town? Damn, you're either light years ahead of me...or...That doesn't really make sense does it? FOS on gryffindor. I won't change my vote yet, until more people have posted and I have reads on more people. But your logic for voting Node is suspect to say the least. Node is correct about Coag by the way, whether or not either of them is scum. Coag has done nothing unusual for his own 'meta' so far this game. Yeah, I have to agree with him here. That was a scummy move by gryffindor and he was right to point it out.On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:Gryffindor. You'll notice towns on TL.net like to throw around FOSs at the most active players. Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present. People with no posts since day start: - Siniquity - Zerroth - Project Psycho* - Johnhughthom* - ELITEcubwarman8* - Insanious - Beefy187* - me_viet* * indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more. Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either. IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out. Also, I'd like to say this post is scummy. Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 06:09 SouthRawrea wrote:I'm not sure if you're all aware but the point of this game is to scumhunt, find and then subsequently lynch the mafia. I highly recommend any newer players to ask questions early on before we get into deep shit because we want you to learn whilst also not having you as a liability. That being said with this vote count it's not hard to see that we're largely divided on votes right now: Vote CountMisder:1 EliteClubwarman:1 theflufflyone93:1 Node:1 zerroth:4 Brownbear:1 bumatlarge:1 Lunargotnodestiny:1 At this point, it's most likely that the rest of the town is going to bandwagon zerroth unless a new development arises. I ask of you zerroth to help us help you help us by trying to contribute or by simply responding. If you're unsure of what you should be saying, we can direct you to some guides in this section of the teamliquid forums and try and point you in a general direction of what you want to achieve in this game. Leave no man behind  . 1) generic advice to town (our job is scumhunting, recommendations etc) 2) posting a vote count (easy way to contribute without contributing) 3) 3rd paragraph is just weird. The point of putting votes on lurkers is to force them to talk...why are you trying to coax some contribution out of zerroth by being buddy-buddy? Overall this feels like a forced post, aka, scum trying to figure out something town-like to post. Pushes inactives, which is good (but doesn't seem to have worked ) DTs on the people who voted for zerroth is not a bad idea as mafia do like an easy lynch. However I disagree with all his points on SR's post.
1)Considering the number of new players, this was needed imo.
2)Vote counts are actually important if the mod isn't doing them regularly. Look how many votes it has take to lynch each day: 5 and 4....
3)We want inactives to contribute. One way to do that is to threaten with being lynched. If being nice works too, why not? Aidnai seems to think the two are mutually exclusive for some reason.
I feel this was a small bit forced.
On February 12 2011 07:49 aidnai wrote:
I agree with you (gryffindor and deconduo) about GGQ, but ilovejonn falls in the same category. So directing DT checks at the people voting zerroth is really a great option I believe. Yep.On February 12 2011 09:26 aidnai wrote:Rofl I have no idea what you guys are talking about... this is like culture clash forum mafia style! Welcome to TL mafia, by the way, glad you could join.  Irrelevant/spammishOn February 12 2011 12:54 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 12:10 kitaman27 wrote:On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
Gryffindor. You'll notice towns on TL.net like to throw around FOSs at the most active players.
Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present.
People with no posts since day start:
- Siniquity
- Zerroth
- Project Psycho*
- Johnhughthom*
- ELITEcubwarman8*
- Insanious
- Beefy187*
- me_viet*
* indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more.
Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either.
IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out.
Also, I'd like to say this post is scummy.
WHOA!!!!! THIS GUY NEEDS TO DIE. NOW! I can't believe no one else caught on to this. Everyone should change their vote to this guy in the next 6 hours or I'm going to become extremely suspicious. Analysis coming shortly. Unvote
Vote aidnai Rofl dude... Well, I'm hoping that you just got excited because you misread, or perhaps it's just your role... you got ants in your pants or something? Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 07:34 Coagulation wrote:On February 12 2011 06:54 Ace wrote:
The people voting for Zerroth should be DT checked on Night 1 for sure.
Anyway since our characters are based on what went on in the Totalwar forums, players from the totalwar website can you post and give us the characteristics or play style of some of the players there?
CHECK ACE FOR TRYING TO REDIRECT DT CHECKS IMO.FEEL FREE TO CHECK ME AFTER. Also, coag, I want to point out to you why Ace's directions to DT's were good. A pressure vote on zerroth that was started rather trivially was rapidly turning into a legit bandwagon. Now, is zerroth a scum? Who knows, he hasn't posted yet. Only the mafia know if he's one of them or not. Now the point is, if zerroth is town (or just non-mafia), then he represents a 'safe' lynch target for scum to vote on. He won't fight back, there won't be repercussions when he's lynched because he was not pro-town etc. So, as a townie, should you defend zerroth and try to stop the lynch? If you do, you might end up defending a mafia, a third party, or a lurker that gets modkilled, and you'll look suspicious yourself later. So do you just let zerroth die? that lets mafia pick off a random townie, leave no associations to follow up on, and no day 1 discussion about the lynch. So the correct answer in this situation is, check the sheep who voted zerroth to get an easy 'safe' lynch. Now the supposedly safe lynch for scum puts them at risk of being DT'ed. If DT's RNG their target, they have a 3/29 chance of hitting mafia. If there is even 1 scum on a list of 5 people voting for zerroth, the odds of finding scum are almost double. And if there's 2 scum, now that list is looking pretty unsafe for scum, don't you think? Good post. Good logic. I approve.On February 12 2011 13:13 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch. Jumps on the day one Coag bandwagon. Yet doesn't place his vote on him until the lynch gains more steam. On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business:
Vote: ELITECubWarman8
for being new and having such a long fricking name. His reason for the lynch is because he doesn't like his name? What kind of excuse is that? On February 11 2011 14:34 aidnai wrote:
I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately. What does this post even mean? "Hey guys, I was thinking of doing something, but I just want to let you all know that I'm not" Thanks for the info! On February 11 2011 15:37 aidnai wrote:
First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst... Again, pushes the Coag bandwagon based on the fact that he is a tough player to read. While we are at it, why not lynch Ace too? On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote:
Node is correct about Coag by the way, whether or not either of them is scum. Coag has done nothing unusual for his own 'meta' so far this game. In other words: Leave coag alone! He has done nothing wrong this game. Why are people pushing for his lynch? On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote:
FOS on gryffindor. I won't change my vote yet, until more people have posted and I have reads on more people. But your logic for voting Node is suspect to say the least.
Meaning: I won't change my vote.......until its safe enough to do so. On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:On February 12 2011 06:09 SouthRawrea wrote:I'm not sure if you're all aware but the point of this game is to scumhunt, find and then subsequently lynch the mafia. I highly recommend any newer players to ask questions early on before we get into deep shit because we want you to learn whilst also not having you as a liability. That being said with this vote count it's not hard to see that we're largely divided on votes right now: Vote CountMisder:1 EliteClubwarman:1 theflufflyone93:1 Node:1 zerroth:4 Brownbear:1 bumatlarge:1 Lunargotnodestiny:1 At this point, it's most likely that the rest of the town is going to bandwagon zerroth unless a new development arises. I ask of you zerroth to help us help you help us by trying to contribute or by simply responding. If you're unsure of what you should be saying, we can direct you to some guides in this section of the teamliquid forums and try and point you in a general direction of what you want to achieve in this game. Leave no man behind . 1) generic advice to town Overall this feels like a forced post, aka, scum trying to figure out something town-like to post. On February 12 2011 07:49 aidnai wrote:
directing DT checks at the people voting zerroth is really a great option I believe. Calls out SouthRawrea for giving generic advice to the town and then does so himself. Comes off hypocritical. On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more. Lets lynch this scum. If you are unsure about the day one vote, then here is our best option. Most people on the Eastern Coast will be going to bed soon so its important we all agree on a target before night. Otherwise, 3 votes might be enough to get someone lynched. VOTE FOR THE SCUM
VOTE aidnai This is rich Kita, really rich... Let's summarize your case, if that's possible. 1) Jumps on the lynch Coag day 1 bandwagon with an obvious joke post that is followed by me later saying 'Coag is hard to read, don't waste your time defending him' and 'Coag is within his normal meta'. 2) gives generic town advice actually saying DT's should check the zerroth vote list is pretty specific, but unfortunately I can't take credit for the idea :/ 3) FoSing and pressuring people is a bad thing? I should be vote hopping instead? lol... You know what, this really feels like an Annul vs LSB situation from, uh, what mafia was hmm.. it's slipped my mind. You remember, when Annul was godfather and tunneled LSB to his day one lynch with the expectation of not being held accountable later. Good response to kita I think.On February 12 2011 14:04 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 13:43 kitaman27 wrote:On February 12 2011 13:13 aidnai wrote:
You know what, this really feels like an Annul vs LSB situation from, uh, what mafia was hmm.. it's slipped my mind. You remember, when Annul was godfather and tunneled LSB to his day one lynch with the expectation of not being held accountable later. Look at his defense. Rather than address the situation, he refers us to a completely unrelated game by putting himself in the place of the innocent victim, while I'm the scum aggressor. Don't fall for this nonsense. On February 12 2011 13:37 GMarshal wrote:On February 12 2011 13:29 Coagulation wrote:
To be honest
I dont think that anyone who has posted in the last 5 or so pages is mafia
I feel like we got a pretty good textbook example of mafia sitting back and watching town take turns fucking each other in the ass. I can´t agree more with this, I have a strong feeling mafia is just sitting back laughing their asses off as we try to rip each others head off, for this reason I propose we stick with lynching a lurker/inactive, if mafia *is* being inactive then its likely that that will at least gallivant them into posting something which we can analyze Do you honestly believe that if zerroth was scum, that he wouldn't even respond before being lynched? The problem with lynching an inactive is that the mafia can manipulate which inactive to lynch. Do you really think zerroth is more likely scum than aidnai? How many times are you going selectively crop my quotes so that you can misconstrue what I said? In the whole quote, I did address your 'analysis', ridiculous as it was. You did it in your original analysis as well, looks like you're grasping at straws. Not to mention your bizarre behaviour in the thread earlier, lashing out randomly, I really believe you must be acting out a very strange role, a role that is forcing you to target me for some reason. Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch. Jumps on the day one Coag bandwagon. Yet doesn't place his vote on him until the lynch gains more steam. On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business:
Vote: ELITECubWarman8
for being new and having such a long fricking name. His reason for the lynch is because he doesn't like his name? What kind of excuse is that? See, both of these quotes are actually the same post, yet you pick one part to show me hopping on Coag's bandwagon and another part to show me "pushing" a lynch on elitecubwarman8. That's so far fetched...it's impossible for you to be this bad without any ulterior motives... So tell us Kitaman, are you scum, or is it a pro-town role that is making you behave this way? More defense. Doesn't do anything scummy as far as I can see.On February 12 2011 16:54 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 13:37 Misder wrote:Well, there really hasn't been much pressure in terms of voting. The inactives are still winning the vote count by a decent amount. I like pressure though. And as such, Unvote Ace
Vote AidnaiYay for bandwagoning? How is PM land going for everyone btw? I'm lonely.  Now that Kitaman has proven his insanity, you two mind taking your votes off me? Good question. I don't know why people would have listened to kita in the first place tbh.On February 13 2011 07:28 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 06:41 SiNiquity wrote:
Ironically, my character profile states I don't have much time for mafia anymore LOL so true. But anyway, I just caught up with the thread and there's a shit ton of Kita bashing for no apparent reason. You guys are dumb if you think he's mafia. Are you joking, or did you miss kita's posts somehow? Only reason there hasn't been more kita bashing is that everyone knows he's not really as crazy as he's been acting, there must be something else going on. Thinking he's mafia isn't dumb either, Annul pulled a similar move to get LSB lynched day 1 in a recent game. If you can think of a reason for a normally intelligent townie to hardcore tunnel another townie without any evidence or proof, please share because I've been racking my brain and come up with nothing. BTW, I understand there's some arguments for not being active at night or whatever, but come day I hope there's a bit more discussion -_- Yep I didn't like that post of sinq's either.On February 14 2011 05:43 aidnai wrote:Wassup ACE?!?! I'm going to full on role claim here, minus the red text of course. Show nested quote +
You are Kagemusha
You’ve been around a long time. You’re a veteran, there is no doubt. But you’re also a bad kill choice. You see, back in the early days, there was a curse. “The curse of Kagemusha”. Whenever you were killed at night, the mafia immediately fell apart. Some say the curse still exists, others laugh...
You are Town
Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.
- Since my power was activated, I was being targeted as a kill, not a roleblock or anything else - Since Ace was targeting me for the kill and he was affected by the curse which affects mafia, Ace was in fact mafia My job here is done, if they kill me for realz they still can't shut me up lol I highly recommend that any advice, opinions etc given by Ace from here on out be ignored. Last thing to say, we'll hopefully know after tonight's KP if Ace was a GF or a grunt. I think probably a grunt was sent to kill, but Ace as GF is smart from mafia perspective so I dunno... Now we get to the juicy part. As he hasn't been opposed its pretty safe to assume he is Kage. The .org players agree that his roleclaim makes sense, so if something is faked its probably subtle. Claims Ace must have tried to kill him because his power activated but we know this to be wrong now. Jumping to conclusions?On February 14 2011 05:57 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2011 04:50 bumatlarge wrote:Did I call it or did I call it? On February 14 2011 02:48 thefluffyone93 wrote:
Vote: Misder
and round and round we go.... Dont be stupid, you have perfectly good information to work with right now. Mafia made a depressingly bad mistake here, unless they planned this out really well. Let me list a few reasons why. 1) Ace and I can still talk and comment. If we both win with town (though I have some doubts about ace now), we can both assertively take positions about matters. We just can't lynch or use abilities, or talk about anything we haven't revealed. This is very important. 2) Someone targeted two very experienced TL players. This means someone who knows both Ace and I is calling the shots (eat it BB). We can narrow this down dramatically to one or more people. 3) As deconduo said, two nightkills, and we know from the OP that mafia have two kp. "Kagemusha" wasn't idly mentioned, I'm guessing, so we should discuss if this person should claim and state any information he may have received last night (I think he may have been protected or have been a vet as well). It appears Ace tried to kidnap(kill?) him. It may be likely that ace could be a grunt (GF can't die yet) or a third party/vig. He can't claim it I believe because of the "rules for dead" unless he has mentioned it before. 4) Kagemusha is still alive. We should look into this person on totalwar.org. It is possible Ace tried to kill the GF as well so it failed. This needs to be figured out ASAP. There is nothing to be done about Ace atm unless he is able to specify something, and he is dead anyway so herp derp. Here is a list of people I have played with and know. (This will be in order from memory and familiarity to myself rather then counting how many games they have played with us) I have been mafia with the top 5 iirc. deconduo BrownBear chaoser aidnai SouthRawrea Coagulation Node SiNiquity Misder GGQ kitaman27 Insanious Mr. Wiggles GMarshal darmousseh ilovejonn why Also, Ace and I were at the top of the list if we disregard deconduo. This could mean something considering it is a penalty game, but I wouldn't put too much thought into it. I think you made an incorrect assumption about the GF not being killable Bum. Check it out Show nested quote +The mafia is comprised of 3 members, 2 grunts and a godfather. While 2 grunts are alive, the mafia have two kills. If one dies, the mafia drops to one kill. When the second grunt dies, the godfather gains the ability to kill twice per night. If the godfather dies, it is not game over, the remaining grunts (if any) may continue. Only when all three members die are the mafia eliminated. That means Ace could have been GF, and it means you can throw out the scenario where Ace was killed for targeting the GF. Not important I think.On February 14 2011 15:53 aidnai wrote:Hmm... I did not receive a PM that my power activated, and I do realize my role PM says that "whenever you are killed at night" is when my power activates. BUT It also says I'm a veteran type which I assume means I have night life, so what seems more likely: my power activates after I actually die (2nd hit) or that it was just not perfectly worded? I kinda think it's more likely that my power activates when I'm hit the first time... Additionally, and I really think this is important, IF Ace was trying to kidnap me, why the hell would that show up in the day post? even more so considering it failed!? I'm certain there are plenty of roles and night actions going on, none of them showed up...except for kills. Now Ace is trying to use his psychological intimidation to shut me up or bully me around as well.. Show nested quote +On February 14 2011 08:39 Ace wrote:On February 14 2011 08:32 deconduo wrote:On February 14 2011 08:23 Ace wrote:
I wasn't Scum. Don't you think it would be really amazing for me to die Night 1 as Scum by either Vigi/SK hit or aidnai's supposed power?
If I was Scum why of all people would I want to kill him? Why target aidnai? kita says he has some kind of role that relates to aidnai. Since I could remove aidnai from the game it's in my best interest to find out what happens when he is gone. Next day I was planning to ask kitaman if anything about his role or actions changed (without revealing that I kidnapped aidnai). It was also an advantage to the town that aidnai was somewhat active. I'd rather keep him out of harms way. Secondly aidnai is pretty terrible. So since I'm not a Vigilante and can't kill him myself best bet is to remove him from the game and let the Town actually win, then bring him back later when we have a clue to whats going on so he can't fuck things up. From both angles; finding out more about this kitaman27-aidnai relationship, and removing a player that isn't really that good I'd be on a decent path for later scum hunting. But all of this begs the question for kitaman27 - now that you know aidnai's alias is Kagemusha did that name appear in your PM? Totalwar forum regulars does Kagemusha have any specific history with other players from that forum? Show nested quote +On February 14 2011 08:45 Ace wrote:
or maybe he's just that bad. Either way I'm done helping out in this game. I don't feel like trying to bring the town to victory if only 5 people are playing. Peace out. In Insane mafia, Ace used an 'inconsistency' in a role claim alongside psychological intimidation like this to not only beat a sure lynch, but get the blue lynched as well... if you're interested, check it out here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=172#3422 and keep reading the next 20 pages or so lol... Now, that said, I'm considering the possibility that Ace is innocent and I just made a complete ass of myself. Along those lines, I've PMed pevergreen about what kind of notification I can expect if/when my power activates. I guess I'll just post the same questions here in the thread: Show nested quote +can you confirm/deny to me that my power activated, that I was targeted for a kill last night, or that I absorbed a hit? If he answers via PM, i'll post that. He realises he might be wrong about his ability. On February 14 2011 16:48 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2011 16:06 why wrote:On February 14 2011 15:53 aidnai wrote:
Additionally, and I really think this is important, IF Ace was trying to kidnap me, why the hell would that show up in the day post? even more so considering it failed!? I'm certain there are plenty of roles and night actions going on, none of them showed up...except for kills.
Actually, this makes perfect sense. Here pever talks about the night kill: On January 22 2011 15:57 pevergreen wrote:
Any kills in this game are to be written by those who perform them. If nothing is given, or changes need to be made for in game purposes (defended, role blocked etc) the host will modify or create the kill with no regard to how good it may have been before he touched it.
This indicates that the description of events will change based on other events that happen to the killer/killed. I think I am buying that Ace tried to kidnap you (not necessarily pro-town role) and that Ace was hit by mafia (unless someone has a hit to claim that hasn't yet). Yes, so consider, Ace wrote a nice story where he tied me up in a gunny sack and then fed me to a lion but then pevergreen changes the story to fit the fact that Ace ended up dying. I really don't understand how this game mechanic provides evidence in favor of Ace... Again, the points: - Only kill targets showed up in the night post - I showed up in the night post - My killer died - I have a vet role with an unknown power that is bad for mafia Ace claims he was kidnapping me, but it doesn't make any sense that I (my role) would be named in the night post if I was simply a failed kidnap attempt. If Ace was kidnapping me, he wouldn't be writing me into a kill post; his killer would know nothing of me and not write me into the post; why would pevergreen edit me into the story? Logical On February 14 2011 16:52 aidnai wrote:ok wtf, and now I get this from pevergreen... Show nested quote +Original Message From pevergreen: You have no power. You were targeted by an ability that succeeded, but the player was killed as well that night. Original Message From aidnai:
Hey pevergreen, I'm worried that i fucked up with a premature claim... can you confirm/deny to me that my power activated, that I was targeted for a kill last night, or that I absorbed a hit?
Thanks, I take this to mean I had nothing to do with Ace's death wtf... Admits he was wrong, sorta.On February 14 2011 18:06 aidnai wrote:kita, the pm's i sent you before you died -- did you find any inconsistencies? can you say anything about gryffindor? and orgahs, just for kicks, what is the backstory between pevergreen and kagemusha? I saw kagemusha is a mod over at TW, and then in the day2 post there was this (from my character) Show nested quote +"There was no way he knew that I was the dark one." Kage thought, "It was just pure luck. I should have won that game. I'm never working with pever again." I'd like to know this too.On February 14 2011 18:33 aidnai wrote:
Not used to these short days... only two hours left, and I have no idea who to vote for T.T I think we'll be seeing some modkills soon too.
For OMGUS voting and contributing nothing,
Vote Beefy187 Bad vote imo, there were better candidates
Ok, quite a lot to go through but overall I think he's much more likely to be town. Especially because of the roleclaim and his assumption that he took out ace. I think a mafia would have thought it through a bit more and been more cautious. He has said I few things that I don't like, but overall I wouldn't be wary of him yet.
One last note, his roleclaim means that:
-If he is mafia, he has an excuse for not being targeted when other TL veterans are dying all around us.
-If its legit, the only way mafia can safely get rid of him is to get him lynched.
I would certainly encourage a DT to check people who pushed for his lynch after his roleclaim.
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