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On February 12 2011 10:49 Believer wrote:
Well there was pretty good activity about 12-13 hours ago, which was when I was awake.
Now it's 02:49 AM for me, I don't know if other people have worse times right now.
But there was some inactives I think? Someone wrote a list detailing some inactives.
Yea. I just voted for Beefy because I can't remember him saying anything. If there are a ton of inactives then we just cut thru as many as possible and speed the game up.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 12 2011 02:47 kitaman27 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 15:35 JBright wrote:
Since everyone has a specified role to take, will looking at past games still be important for analysis? People could be playing up their characters and forcefully change their posting habits, but that's hard to tell. Can you guys cut it out? I'm starting to think you're doing this on purpose.....
On February 12 2011 10:36 Misder wrote:
To all those that have played pevergreen's previous games- are there any chars that are assumed scum?
Whoa there. Don't know if those are just part of your characters, but you don't have to start accusing people as mafia just because of it. A character and someone's alignment should be completely separate things (at least that's what I think), so no need to jump the gun.
Hmm, so far the votes are still looks to be pretty distributed other than Zerroth. Unless something drastic happens within the next 7-8 hours, he will probably be lynched. I guess I'll just vote for someone who is inactive but still have no votes yet.
Vote: Insanious
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On February 12 2011 10:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 10:49 Believer wrote:
Well there was pretty good activity about 12-13 hours ago, which was when I was awake.
Now it's 02:49 AM for me, I don't know if other people have worse times right now.
But there was some inactives I think? Someone wrote a list detailing some inactives. Yea. I just voted for Beefy because I can't remember him saying anything. If there are a ton of inactives then we just cut thru as many as possible and speed the game up.
Beefy is awaiting access. To my knowledge he is the only one without the ability to post here.
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Ace, I think about 3 or so people from the total war forum are signed up but don't actually have access to the mafia subforum yet because no ones updated the thread.
On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present.
People with no posts since day start:
- Siniquity
- Zerroth
- Project Psycho*
- Johnhughthom*
- ELITEcubwarman8*
- Insanious
- Beefy187*
- me_viet*
* indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more.
Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either.
IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out.
I could be wrong and they're lurking hardcore, but I think I saw somewhere people complaining no one's updating the access request.
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On February 12 2011 11:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ace, I think about 3 or so people from the total war forum are signed up but don't actually have access to the mafia subforum yet because no ones updated the thread. Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present.
People with no posts since day start:
- Siniquity
- Zerroth
- Project Psycho*
- Johnhughthom*
- ELITEcubwarman8*
- Insanious
- Beefy187*
- me_viet*
* indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more.
Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either.
IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out.
I could be wrong and they're lurking hardcore, but I think I saw somewhere people complaining no one's updating the access request.
Ok, so maybe not that many.(pever should stop updating people right when I post, second time it happened, is making me look dumb :p)
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Does a mass name-claim make sense? I don't think it is against the rules as far as I can tell, and there are some advantages (namely totalwar folks might be able to get a sense of factions/red text and then explain it to the rest of us. Also, assuming mafia are TL members they won't know whether to fake claim or not, and won't be able to come up with a good fake claim regardless).
On the other hand, it could be a waste of time since most people won't get anything from it and it'll just take up a bunch of thread space and distract from scumhunting (although at the moment there doesn't seem to be much talking anyway). Also, if one of the totalwar people is on one of the mafia/cult teams then they might be able to pick out some blue roles.
Totalwar people, how helpful do you think it would be to know people's names?
As an example of how it could help, in the (2) games I have played with him, GGQ has posted at about this frequency, but has generally been a helpful, insightful townie. Here he has voted multiple times with no reason and hasn't posted anything more than a couple lines. My guess is that he has some red text that is telling him to play that way. This is supported by:
On February 12 2011 09:39 GGQ wrote:
There should be some red text in your role pm telling you how you are supposed to act.
Can we lynch a mafia already?
Not that this means he is town, just that things we normally associate with scum tells might just be red text that players can't admit to.
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I dont think name claiming help us yet. Since we dont know the alignment of any of the TW players asking them to help us via name claim isn't really solid.
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Yeah, I agree that name-claiming likely isn't the best idea. Since very few of us know what the names actually mean, the only thing that it might give us is the potential to predict behavior, which will only distract us from whether or not people are actually scummy.
I mean, I can't imagine that certain names will be blatantly scum, since this is all based on personality, and personality != alignment.
For now, I'm going to vote Insanious, since I know he can be a good townie and it scares me that he hasn't contributed.
And for the record, FOS on bumatlarge. He seemed far too eager to egg on gryffindor's (fake) argument against me.
##Vote Insanious
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EBWOP: I also dislike the way bum responded to Coag's pressure.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
Gryffindor. You'll notice towns on TL.net like to throw around FOSs at the most active players.
Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present.
People with no posts since day start:
- Siniquity
- Zerroth
- Project Psycho*
- Johnhughthom*
- ELITEcubwarman8*
- Insanious
- Beefy187*
- me_viet*
* indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more.
Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either.
IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out.
Also, I'd like to say this post is scummy.
WHOA!!!!!
THIS GUY NEEDS TO DIE. NOW!
I can't believe no one else caught on to this. Everyone should change their vote to this guy in the next 6 hours or I'm going to become extremely suspicious. Analysis coming shortly.
Unvote
Vote aidnai
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Analysis of ACE
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 12:15 Ace wrote:
oh and just to make things easier
Vote: Coagulation. Lets not take any chances with silly players :D ok so game hasnt even started yet. no day post or anything i havnt even posted a seriouse post regarding the game and boom hes out the gates trying to get someone lynched
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 13:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 13:01 LunarDestiny wrote:
Coag is actually very good at scum hunting. He played ton of games.
He just don't like to write long post to convince others. that means he's not good at scum hunting people try to reason with him about his pretty lame vote attempt how its a bad start etc. pretty much ignores anyones opinion on it as shown here.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 13:24 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 13:21 Coagulation wrote:
i dont know where you get this i dont wanna convince people shit. cool so you aren't actually trying to help us find Scum then are you? twists my words to make them sound negative. maybe it was a bad phrasing on my part but im pretty sure anyone who reads that with a town outlook would read "i dont know where you get this "i dont wanna convince people" shit. Hounding me about lack of scumhunting. lets see how much scumhunting he has contributed as the game goes on shall we.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 13:32 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 13:29 GMarshal wrote:On February 11 2011 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
At this point in the game has ANYONE made an attempt to find scum??
+ Show Spoiler +We are a whole 15 minutes into the game, by now you should have a very solid idea of who the scum team is and have come up a list that we can use to hunt them, the fact that you have failed to produce such a list makes you most suspicious in my eyes. word Ok no scumhunting here lets move on On February 11 2011 14:10 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch.
I see that there are only 3 scum, and there's no abstaining. We're almost certainly gonna be lynching a lot of townies this game. KP will be our best indicator of lynch success it looks like, though if we kill the GF we may not realize immediately.
I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business:
Vote: ELITECubWarman8
for being new and having such a long fricking name. 3 Scum vs 27 Townies is pretty much auto loss for Scum. So expect multiple Scum factions, Cults(ughh) or some really strong Scum powers. pretty obvious statement here. anyone who has played more than 2 games of mafia will realize this right away. doesnt help us find scum at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 15:27 Ace wrote:well people get accused all of the time. Why panic?  Besides I don't see what the voting rules are in the OP. Is it Majority lynch or most votes to lynch? zero scumhunting. and heres a little bit of what is commonly known as a scum tactic. ask general and irrelevent questions regarding the game in a attempt to look like your providing content to the town.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 17:37 Ace wrote:
actually gryffindor he answered your question - even though if it was terrible since he never defended Coagulation. What he did wasn't even buddying. Why so jumpy sir? And it only took you 2 minutes between reading Misder's post and voting to come firm to this conclusion?
Are you voting just to vote or do you honestly think Node is scummy? pretty much the only real post he has made so far with any substance. however notice it is slightly tinted in a negative contrast. far from solid analysis or scumhunting that i would expect from a vet player like him.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 17:47 Ace wrote:Actually a hard to read player is still bad If you don't appear Pro-Town to me why would I want to keep you alive? more contentless smalltalk. Zero scumhunting here folks.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2011 17:59 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 17:56 Node wrote:On February 11 2011 17:47 Ace wrote:Actually a hard to read player is still bad Speak for yourself.  if you dont agree then tell me why :D Another Zero content fluff post with general conversation to make it look like hes contributing. no suprise there is Zero scumhunting here
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2011 06:54 Ace wrote:
The people voting for Zerroth should be DT checked on Night 1 for sure.
Anyway since our characters are based on what went on in the Totalwar forums, players from the totalwar website can you post and give us the characteristics or play style of some of the players there? ALARM BELLS GOING OFF YEAH SURE WE WILL CHECK WHOEVER YOU SAY. CAUSE CLEARLY JUDGING FROM YOUR POST HISTORY YOU HAVE AN INVESTED INTEREST IN FINDING SCUM. WE BETTER LISTEN. also asking other people to scumhunt. Fantastic work ace. zero scumhunting here.
On February 12 2011 08:37 Ace wrote:
Unvote Coagulation
MORE ALARM BELLS. was so fucking dedicated to vote me that he couldnt even wait for the fucking day post to get my name on the board. now he unvotes me and doesnt say a word about it.
You know what kind of players dont feel compelled to explain their reasoning behind their decision making. If you guessed scum you are correct.
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you're trying too hard. Stop it. This is also why I said I never believed you were any good at catching Scum.
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@Nameclaiming- I was thinking that too- but I think at best, it gives us only a small idea of how they would act, who only a small number of people know. Additionally, worst case scenario, is if there is a third party role that is supposed to only kill one name that is town-aligned.
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On February 12 2011 12:13 Ace wrote:
you're trying too hard. Stop it. This is also why I said I never believed you were any good at catching Scum.
hey i did a post by post analysis of a player. why on earth should i stop it?
let town be the one who decide if im trying too hard.
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Also i would like to point out that i never gave a Scum verdict at the end of my analysis because i didnt feel it was warranted its still far too early to properly get a read on you. however i think you are the first person i have ever seen post "stop doing post by post analysis on players"
I recall last mafia game everyone pissing and moaning that i "wasnt trying hard enough" (brownbear/node can verify this) Now im getting the "your trying too hard"
Fuck my life.
Mind = blown.
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Looking at insanious's post history, I believe the last post he's had on TL was his /in post for this game. It's quite possible he doesn't even know that Orgah mafia has started, especially as there was no confirm period.
With regards to pressuring inactives, I would hesitate to pressure people who haven't even posted yet. These people might not have even read their role pms yet and will be modkilled anyway. It is basically a RNG. We can look for people who post closer to the deadline and FoS them, but I think mafia that have read their pm are much more likely to have a vote or at least a post in by this point.
I'll Vote: Misder because all he has done is posted once or twice and voted.
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On February 12 2011 12:13 Misder wrote:
@Nameclaiming- I was thinking that too- but I think at best, it gives us only a small idea of how they would act, who only a small number of people know. Additionally, worst case scenario, is if there is a third party role that is supposed to only kill one name that is town-aligned.
Oh, hi Misder. Any thoughts on the game so far? Anyone seem particularly scummy?
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On February 12 2011 12:22 why wrote:
Looking at insanious's post history, I believe the last post he's had on TL was his /in post for this game. It's quite possible he doesn't even know that Orgah mafia has started, especially as there was no confirm period.
With regards to pressuring inactives, I would hesitate to pressure people who haven't even posted yet. These people might not have even read their role pms yet and will be modkilled anyway. It is basically a RNG. We can look for people who post closer to the deadline and FoS them, but I think mafia that have read their pm are much more likely to have a vote or at least a post in by this point.
I'll Vote: Misder because all he has done is posted once or twice and voted.
Nice of you to single me out I wonder why I stood out to you instead of the others?
Unvote thefluffyone93
Vote Ace
Unfortunately, I don't get to vote for thefluffyone93 anymore  , cause I feel that Coagulation has a point. Ace just feels scummy, esp. stop analysis? Reminds me of Fishball last game tbh.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 12 2011 12:11 Coagulation wrote:
ok so game hasnt even started yet. no day post or anything i havnt even posted a seriouse post regarding the game and boom hes out the gates trying to get someone lynched
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Not that it would have counted; only votes after the intro count toward the final tally.
On a side note, I find that a lot of the analyses so far have been personal grudges (maybe not to that extent) from previous games and not necessarily logical according to the rules of this setup.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
Rofl...I see Kenpachi and Pandain are not playing, so I hate to say it Coag but you're our only viable day 1 lynch.
Jumps on the day one Coag bandwagon. Yet doesn't place his vote on him until the lynch gains more steam.
On February 11 2011 13:49 aidnai wrote:
I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business:
Vote: ELITECubWarman8
for being new and having such a long fricking name.
His reason for the lynch is because he doesn't like his name? What kind of excuse is that?
On February 11 2011 14:34 aidnai wrote:
I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately.
What does this post even mean?
"Hey guys, I was thinking of doing something, but I just want to let you all know that I'm not"
Thanks for the info!
On February 11 2011 15:37 aidnai wrote:
First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst...
Again, pushes the Coag bandwagon based on the fact that he is a tough player to read. While we are at it, why not lynch Ace too?
On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote:
Node is correct about Coag by the way, whether or not either of them is scum. Coag has done nothing unusual for his own 'meta' so far this game.
In other words: Leave coag alone! He has done nothing wrong this game. Why are people pushing for his lynch?
On February 11 2011 17:44 aidnai wrote:
FOS on gryffindor. I won't change my vote yet, until more people have posted and I have reads on more people. But your logic for voting Node is suspect to say the least.
Meaning: I won't change my vote.......until its safe enough to do so.
On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 06:09 SouthRawrea wrote:I'm not sure if you're all aware but the point of this game is to scumhunt, find and then subsequently lynch the mafia. I highly recommend any newer players to ask questions early on before we get into deep shit because we want you to learn whilst also not having you as a liability. That being said with this vote count it's not hard to see that we're largely divided on votes right now: Vote CountMisder:1 EliteClubwarman:1 theflufflyone93:1 Node:1 zerroth:4 Brownbear:1 bumatlarge:1 Lunargotnodestiny:1 At this point, it's most likely that the rest of the town is going to bandwagon zerroth unless a new development arises. I ask of you zerroth to help us help you help us by trying to contribute or by simply responding. If you're unsure of what you should be saying, we can direct you to some guides in this section of the teamliquid forums and try and point you in a general direction of what you want to achieve in this game. Leave no man behind . 1) generic advice to town Overall this feels like a forced post, aka, scum trying to figure out something town-like to post.
On February 12 2011 07:49 aidnai wrote:
directing DT checks at the people voting zerroth is really a great option I believe.
Calls out SouthRawrea for giving generic advice to the town and then does so himself. Comes off hypocritical.
On February 12 2011 07:25 aidnai wrote:
If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more.
Lets lynch this scum. If you are unsure about the day one vote, then here is our best option. Most people on the Eastern Coast will be going to bed soon so its important we all agree on a target before night. Otherwise, 3 votes might be enough to get someone lynched.
VOTE FOR THE SCUM
VOTE aidnai
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