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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
"It is also very possible Mafia was all afk and the SK was the only night kp." So I was trying to cover reply to both with one post. I was thinking that maybe mods were mad at more than just one-two ppl for not sending in actions. And about the clues, they may have placed clues on the SK even tho they are not supposed to, because he didn't send in hits. These are unrelated, they could both be true or neither of them, but I just wanted to clarify what I meant. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 31 2011 03:51 CubEdIn wrote: Yes, but only Mafia can role-block people, and BrownBear claimed he got RBed. Which means that the mafia DID send in their night hits. It's unlikely that they didn't. I mean, you'd have to have all 5 people offline, otherwise mods would've PMed them or something. And why would BrownBear claim RB? a) he is mafia and trying to confuse the town by putting himself on the radar b) he actually got RBed, which means mafia did send in their actions. You are right about the clues part, but I dunno, maybe Node/LSB decided to put clues about SK BECAUSE he didn't send in night kill. Or maybe they are joking? a) is a distinct possibility. He has 2 posts during night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7768796 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7772232 Both several hours before deadline. I'm not pushing it but it is a very real possibility. If mafia were all afk it would make a great amount of sense for one of them to claim RB during the night. It also took him a while to post that he was. A convenient bandwagon showed up before mafia could finish comparing notes????? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On January 31 2011 04:21 deconduo wrote: So uh, why are we not lynching Nemesis today? The clues for him are a lot more solid than the ones on Jackal. I get the impression that mafia is just diverting the lynch, everyone has forgotten about him again all of a sudden. If you ask me there are way too many people on the radar, and others are stacking up on them. This no-info-flip is horrible, we have no idea what went down so far. So far we have: - Nemesis (from yesterday) - I still disagree from voting on him because when he thought his faith was sealed, he posted very pro-town. Mafia would try to deflect onto RoL or something, he just doesn't seem like a red to me, sorry, will not vote for him. - Coagulation (from yesterday, he had 5 votes, which is a lot considering that lynch was @7) - I really don't think he's scum, but I think he's a horrible town player with really crappy logic (see post: If I die, kill X, Y, without any good reasoning, that's horrible town play). I don't want to vote for him since it would be very anti-spirit-of-the-game, as I think he's town. But I wouldn't mind seeing him play better - and it's not just me, others said he screwed up multiple times. - Beneather (based on clue analysis) - don't know what to say about him, too little information - Jackal58 (based on clue/posts analysis) - may vote for him, but his retaliation posts do make sense, so he doesn't seem scummy for now - BrownBear (based on the few posts above, might be mafia and fake-claiming so that town doesn't pick the reds from the inactive list) - possible, but unlikely IMO ...and like 5-6 others if you'll listen to Coagulation who obviously knows the entire red team based on strong facts. So yeah, and to think I wanted to bring someone else on the radar and hope to convince enough of the town to lynch them, but with 5+ candidates on the line, it's not gonna happen. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
If I were DT and I've had seen Nemesis get away right before deadline, I'd have checked him. If he'd have turned green, I'd have kept quiet about - which might be the case. If he'd have turned red, I'd wait to see if he gets lynched anyway, and if he doesn't, then I'd claim and make sure town lynches a red. So if he doesn't get lynched tonight, and no DTs come up to say he's red, we can be fairly sure he's town... Though, most of the reasoning doesn't make sense if he's SK.  | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Here is another look at the clues against Nemesis. Nemesis Lee Young Ho fighting! (flash) Nemesis Steel is my body On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: flashes of steel rising On January 27 2011 11:01 Node wrote: And then the flash of steel from real guns Flash of steel is repeated twice in the post. I doubt the mods would purposely repeated a clue we were discussing if it was a red herring. ------------------------------- Some nights I thirst for real blood For real knives For real cries And then the flash of steel from real guns In real life Really fills my mind Reality Marble reference in profile ------------------------------------------ Nemesis I have created over a thousand blades. So as I pray, 'Unlimited Blade Works'." Wikipedia reference of "unlimited blade works" allowing Archer to reconstruct any bladed weapon merely by seeing it. Furthermore, his tracing allows him to inherit the combat skills of those who previously used his weapon, granting him instant proficiency with whatever he traces. On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind. -------------------------- On January 27 2011 11:01 Node wrote: only a hand-length away... Nemesis Yet, these hands will never hold anything. ------------------------------------- Nemesis Unknown to death. Nor known to life. On January 30 2011 11:11 Node wrote: We never found the chef afterwards. ------------------------------------- I'm not sure how "Steel" and "black" are harder evidence against jackal than all these are against nemesis. Now take a look at the series of events it took to save Nemesis the previous lynch: On January 29 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote: ##unvote Nemesis ##Vote zerroth On January 29 2011 11:20 Nemesis wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote RebirthofLegend On January 29 2011 11:31 CubEdIn wrote: ##unvote Nemesis ##Vote CubEdIn On January 29 2011 11:51 darmousseh wrote: ##Unvote nemesis ##Vote RebirthofLegend Three votes came off him right before the end to barely save him. If Nemesis was green, wouldn't the mafia continue to push his case, rather than give him a free pass for the day? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
And the fact that people are not openly defending him also means that he's probably green. There are just too many things that don't mix with him being red. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On January 31 2011 05:52 CubEdIn wrote: ^ That's true. And the fact that people are not openly defending him also means that he's probably green. There are just too many things that don't mix with him being red. Defending him from what? He's gone completely under the radar while votes have piled on Jackal. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 31 2011 05:52 CubEdIn wrote: ^ That's true. And the fact that people are not openly defending him also means that he's probably green. There are just too many things that don't mix with him being red. Defend him from what? The 8-2 lead I'm enjoying atm? Nobody needs to defend him. Mafia found a perfect foil. I'd look at the folks that switched from beneather as well. Why bus one of your own when a perfectly good derailment appears. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 31 2011 06:16 GMarshal wrote: My apologies for disappearing for almost two days, my computer was broken and I was unable to get online, (on the bright side, new graphics card an ram), I'll catch up with the thread ASAP, but for now I wanted to point out that I was saved from a hit last night. That is all until I catch up with the thread Lol, and the missing hit finally shows up. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 31 2011 06:19 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, and the missing hit finally shows up. And possibly the reason the SK hit wasn't sent in :p | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Which means that we're just missing one hit, probably an SK who forgot to send their hits in. Or an SK that had his computer broken. *giggles* @Deconduo / Jackal = I mean yesterday, not today. Obviously. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On January 31 2011 04:08 Jackal58 wrote: a) is a distinct possibility. He has 2 posts during night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7768796 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7772232 Both several hours before deadline. I'm not pushing it but it is a very real possibility. If mafia were all afk it would make a great amount of sense for one of them to claim RB during the night. It also took him a while to post that he was. A convenient bandwagon showed up before mafia could finish comparing notes????? Wait, so if I am following your logic, I am scum because I didn't post last night? And I posted it once, it was ignored, and then I posted it again. Here: On January 30 2011 13:02 BrownBear wrote: Sorry I don't really have time to talk right now, it's Saturday night, just wanted to say I was roleblocked last night. This was posted the first time I signed on and saw the night actions. Then I noticed nobody was really discussing it apart from Coag going "LOL STEELERS LOL" (actually thats probably why it was ignored. Coag, just go let yourself get modkilled already, you're worse than useless). So I posted it again: On January 31 2011 03:13 BrownBear wrote: People also seem to have missed this, but I was roleblocked last night. This means mafia definitely sent something in, at least. What seems more likely to me is this scenario: NIGHT 1: Mafia starts out with a KP of 2. SK has a KP of 1. 3 hits are sent in, 1 is blocked. NIGHT 2: SK was lynched, part of the mass modkill, or didn't send in his hit. Mafia sends in 2 hits, 1 is blocked. This means somebody still has to post saying "yo I took a hit last night" Does this make sense, or am I thinking about it wrong? My logic about the scenario was wrong, but the fact that I was roleblocked remains true. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote: The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? | ||
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