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On January 16 2011 05:51 kitaman27 wrote:Some points I would like to be addressed if you don't mind, BC. (I still would also like to hear from Amber about his roleblocking target and his reasons for moving off fishball in the previous lynch and from dec about his kp target so we don't overlap) Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. First, lets contrast this questionable reasoning: Rol: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so probably scum. Fish: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so great to keep around. Ulterior motive? Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Point 4
Two simple reasons for choice of GF.
1) deny a scummy looking player his role
2) take a role that would give me a KP to use as I don't see very many people focusing on behavioural analysis anymore. IN ANY GAME. As its a role that was less likely to be noticed for its KP purposes I went for it. It fits my style completely.
This fits your style completely? You do realize that you have to be lynched in order to use this kp, right? If you are town, why would you foresee yourself getting lynched in the first place? Aren't you the type of player that gets sniped at night, not lynched during the day. What did you intend to do if you got checked by bulletbill? "Opps, its okay guys. I'm godfather. No worries!" Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 01:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him. You actually say it best yourself. The godfather role has far more scum applications than town. I'm not sure I buy that you selected it to deny the role and use a lynch kp, over the possible remaining pro-town roles. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however. Yet you did. Many times. It's great you helped find a SK, but as a scum desperate to quickly find a day vig target, LSB would have been the best choice. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
the way I hit people as mafia is unique compared to most players. Guess what, none of the people who died fit my criteria for night 1 hits. Huh? What is this even supposed to mean? Since the death list doesn't match your "system" you are supposed to be given a free pass? Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. You contradict yourself here. You don't vote for fish because you don't have a strong enough belief he is scum and don't want to accidentally vote off an innocent town. Yet now you agree if majority is about to be reached, you will join the bandwagon, regardless of your personal beliefs. Sounds as if you are just providing an excuse for yourself why you won't commit. Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote:
Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote:
beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. Heh flatery. I'm sure we've all seen this used before.
Yay an attempt at analysis, there is hope for you yet.
Reason to keep fish around is simple. As of now, myself, fishball, and jimbo are the three people posting the most coherent posts. If nothing else the three of us see logic and when we post typically have something useful. As such, regardless of Fish's role, having someone who has to play at a certain level (and if hes traitor he has to find reds as well), he will have to help analyze briefly.
As for gf role, go look at my record. I as a player have been lynched late game fairly often, and of these times I have only been red once. Factor in towns having a trend of offing the people who analyze/talk in recent games your damn right I expected to be lynched. Not only do I like to talk I am expected to purely based on my name.
As for intended on doing if I was checked by bulletbill, simply claim. No reason not to.
Now, move into the whole me finding an SK. You all seem to think that if I was mafia I would auto find an SK purely to off a KP role. Sadly you're wrong. As mafia I would bus 1-2 of my own team, build credibility to town and then wreak havoc. Instead I opt to find anyone who is antitown. LSB flipping SK is the most beneficial flip I could have as it shows I am not doing my normal mafia tactics of playing ridiculous plans upon plans. Then look at the night hits. Again, the people who I would target two days running are not dead. Anyone who has played on a red team with me would realize I purposely aim for town leadership or people who analyze intelligently. IE if I was red I'd have shot jimbo and fishball by now if I knew they were town. I would have kept LSB alive as based on his play (if i was red) i would have him pinned as SK and let him lead the town around stupidly till the town offed itself.
Next talk about an excuse not to commit? we had two targets, both I thought shouldn't die and no way a vote swing would happen to someone I preferred. Instead I said I would go with the town flow if we were going to lynch one of them and be the hammer. That means had they flipped town my ass is in the hot seat.
Then you mention flattery? Guess what dude, alot of the newer players don't learn, at all. Seeing someone new who can analyze, read a thread, make informed posts, and hell argue with players like myself who have been around for awhile is a huge kudos to him. He's shown alot of talent and potential to grow as a player, course I am going to flatter him.
Now, if you want to do real analysis, go compare my previous games where I am town, just notice the style of game I play there, compared to the style of game I play as mafia. You will notice very quickly that I am playing very pro town.
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Also, random surviving a night hit is hilarious.
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Only have a moment but I took a hit last night. For now start looking at the people I accused. I'll be back sometime monday and can address the situation fully then.
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rofl? 5 hits last night? Highly unlikely, someone is lying.
KP shot count
Decon on fish
Kita on me
Someone on kita
someone on zeks
someone on jimbo
Thats alot of KP, its actually 1 more than day 1. Considering we had two sk's + mafia + cpr (would have to be cpr as joat would have been unable to shoot last night) it seems horribly unlikely we have 5 kp. I say this as it is incredibly unlikely joat and cpr are both out there as both were supposed to be early grabs and with how powerful they are, even more unlikely people would think they were open.
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It'd be nice to hear Kita confirm he wasn't roleblocked. Barring a surprise there, the only reasonable explanation for BC surviving that doesn't involve anyone being a lying scum is having a second medic protect BC for some reason. Other possibilities of course are that one of Kita and BC is lying about who they say they are.
Decon on fish (according to decon)
Kita on me (according to Kita)
Someone on kita (according to cubed)
someone on zeks (according to Ace lol)
someone on jimbo (according to jimbo)
BC: the amount of KP is actually not that unreasonable... compared to last night, we lost one (LSB), we gained one back (Kita), and then we have one extra (possibly a hidden pro-town JOAT?)
All the claims can be explained by something as simple as, for example:
Decon on fish (SK #1)
Kita on me (Vigi)
Someone on kita (Scum KP)
someone on zeks (JOAT)
someone on jimbo (SK #3)
What makes less sense to me is how few people died... literally, it would have to be something insane like BC was medic saved, fish is vet and jimbo is bulletproof. Or else, one of them is the third SK?
My read of Jimbo (townie who takes himself too seriously) is definitely compatible with vet/BP, so I'll buy that.
Deconduo hitting fish is complicated, lots of possibilities. for example,
-Fishball is vet, everything else is as claimed
-Deconduo is scum, fishball is traitor and was converted
-Fishball is scum, was saved by a scum medic who knew where the hit would be
some BP/vet claims might be able to shed light on the situation. Hold off on that until you know you have a case on someone though.
And Kita/BC is also quite interesting, but I want to hear if there's any more information from Kita, BC, or a second medic before I get into it too hard.
Last thing, there's a mod-confirmed townie out there somewhere who has PM's from zeks... It'd be nice to know who you are (one less suspect at least), and what kind of misinformation zeks might have been trying to plant. Please share 
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On January 14 2011 07:55 aidnai wrote:Here's why I think BC is scum. 1) Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
By BC's own logic, we are left with a damn good chance that either BC or fishball is red, and BC has given more reasons why he's a better lynch. ...
I actually thought it was scummy of BC to use this argument, I only used it myself to see if he would disown the argument or keep with it.
On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As you are the only one who analyzed me, I will spend the time to comment to you.
Between Fish and I, chances are one of us is red, I will agree with you there, although chances are higher that he is traitor than red, however I think fish and I can also both agree that we almost always gun for eachother in every game in some form. Still, I will give you valid point for one.
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He kept with it. BC reiterates that chances are, one of fishball/BC is probably red, and fishball is probably the traitor. So that means you're probably red, right?
On January 16 2011 05:51 kitaman27 wrote:Some points I would like to be addressed if you don't mind, BC. (I still would also like to hear from Amber about his roleblocking target and his reasons for moving off fishball in the previous lynch and from dec about his kp target so we don't overlap) Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. First, lets contrast this questionable reasoning: Rol: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so probably scum. Fish: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so great to keep around. Ulterior motive?
Kitaman brings up a closely related point: BC completely forgot about his argument for lynching RoL when it comes to Fishball.
On January 16 2011 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Reason to keep fish around is simple. As of now, myself, fishball, and jimbo are the three people posting the most coherent posts. If nothing else the three of us see logic and when we post typically have something useful. As such, regardless of Fish's role, having someone who has to play at a certain level (and if hes traitor he has to find reds as well), he will have to help analyze briefly.
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BC's response is that Fishball is going to contribute good things to town even if he's red wtf? Contribute, let's see here, subtle misinformation and bad guidance inside the thread, leadership to the rest of the scum team outside of the thread, analysis that benefits who?
BC: Your answer to kitaman doesn't make much sense in light of your answer to me, since RoL is also an intelligent player who could have been very helpful to the town. And if you really thought it was likely that Fishball was scum/traitor like you told me, the correct move would be to push a lynch or night kill.
On the other hand, if you're scum you probably don't want people continuing along the line of reasoning that one of you three (RoL, fishball, BC) must be scum... Personally, I think it was a pretty big mistake to play that card in the first place, I wouldn't have pushed RoL's lynch that way, and I sure as hell wouldn't have stood by that line of reasoning afterwards.
BTW, I haven't heard from any experienced players about this
When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. but this sounds pretty debatable like lynch all liars or something. I wish I had enough experience playing with you to know which side of the fence you normally sit on, but without that knowledge, I can't take this really as evidence for or against you. But personally I disagree with a FoS all mistakes policy.
Remind me how did you survive Kita's hit again? Hilarious indeed...
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I didn't take a hit period, no medic saved me, no night life role saved me. Only way for me to survive is kita to have been roleblocked.
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I was the person who was connected to Zeks. I had no idea that he was mafia, but I couldn't really trust him. Here is every correspondence between us throughout the game.
Also note I role blocked pigsquirrel, and he can confirm that.
Note I sent him a few extra PM's that were not included in this. I will fish them out and they will be posted below this PM chain...
Original Message From zeks: By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo) bumatlarge - Role Cop Eiii - Parity Cop assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1 and maybe a JOAT that got picked up. Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum Show nested quote +Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Yes. but I'm afraid that the mafia team has two key red roles (read page 16). I'm not as worried about Fishball right now. We can lynch him whenever. Original Message From zeks: I think the medic(s) will probably protect you or kita Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Would roleblocking a traitor stop him from being recruited? If so then I'd suggest Fishball Original Message From Amber[LighT]: don't claim me until the day. I'll tell you who I'm roleblocking in case I die. Medics _SHOULD_ protect me tonight, but don't publicize that. Original Message From zeks: In danger now of lurking....I'm going to claim myself Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Ace does notify the role blocked players, just an FYI. If Fishball flips traitor I would be willing to accept that LSB is protown. BC should then die. I really don't trust BC at all. If Fishball flips anything else then Kenpachi and LSB should be looked at. They conspired to get the roles they wanted somehow. I think LSB might be the CPR since there was no other claim afaik. Deconduo might be in on this circle too. Original Message From zeks: you might want to reconfirm with Ace on this one I don't know what hte policy is on roleblocking but usually I dont think the host tells the name of the roleblocker to the roleblocked person... Original Message From Amber[LighT]: On January 14 2011 10:26 Kenpachi wrote:On January 14 2011 10:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
*correction I actually claimed overnight that I should be protected to avoid allowing the CC to take my role, so I technically did roleclaim, my bad.
I blocked who I was supposed to block for that night: Kenpachi Yea Amber is a roleblocker as i can confirm this WTF does this make any sense to you? Original Message From zeks: okay i wont claim then. Original Message From Amber[LighT]:
They aren't suspecting me of being a traitor. They know I'm the role blocker. If they start pressuring me then it's definitely a good idea. The problem is once you claim there will be more for mafia to work with. Best to just hang on to this in case we need to trap a player in a lie if they target you for something.
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Let's connect the zeks!
On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote:
According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.
As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.
Not following LSB, no surprise. Well, I believe mafia tried to spread out their opinions on this plan, as it was an easy way to work around it. You wouldn't get any FoS if you flat out rejected it.
On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote:Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote:
Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
I thought I'd bring this up again by fishball. At first I thought he was trying to stir the pot, and perhaps he was a traitor in out midst. But I had read th reasons over, and it seemed to hold some water. Now that zeks is dead, I'm starting to think fishball was scum hunting like a pro. None of the other accused are dead. Does that say something?
On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote:
We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched.
Seems to believe the CPR is in play, didn't seem to suspect him of SK. But I think this kinda gives a hint that mafia may not really care about "town's kp"? We should probably be more aggressive with where we tell known KP to hit. I don't want scum influence turning this into a wishy-washy subject.
On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote:
##abstain
incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow
day 1 pardon = no
Does not want to kill Aidnai or LoR atm. Interesting.
On January 12 2011 07:20 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 06:27 Beneather wrote:
What happens if we do send Deconduo to LayOffRage and the mafia hits him and he's traitor does the CPR Doctor kill him or save him? This is how I understand it: If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him then he dies If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him while mafia hits him also then he lives, and he converts to mafia. @Kenpachi People seem to think you're scummy no matter what you do, lol. Although at the #2 spot not picking JOAT is a giant FoS imo. Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? Out of all the plans you've come up with LSB I actually think this is the most sensible one. In order to confirm decon we're going to need a sheep to sacrifice and its probably best to sacrifice a vanilla in order to test that decon did get CPR (sorry Jackal). We should quickly verify the top people by night 1 especially decon. As for lynch - with the good spread of votes between multiple candidates I think one of them probably is scum. None of the arguments towards LoR or aidnai have been particularly convincing to me but if I had to choose one I'd pick LoR just on the basis of aidnai having the more important role which can tell us a shitload of info after night 1. Having said that I will place my vote a bit later tonight.
"Most sensible" lol, notice he apologizes to jackal. He knows jackal is town, and there is no way for him to know if LoR is traitor, but he isnt scum so guess he can die. Picks LoR over aidnai.
On January 12 2011 08:23 zeks wrote:
Yes I'd like to give kenpachi a second chance. If he were scum he really didn't have to come out and claim that he didn't pick JOAT and let us figure it out ourselves.
Tries to act like general town figure-head, granting pardon on kenpachi's actions. Doesn't necessarily mean ken is scum, but let's keep our minds open.
On January 12 2011 10:31 zeks wrote:
##vote LayOffRage
because we really need a witch more at this point.
Decisive scum! I would also like to point something out about aidnai that is very suspicious. Mafia clearly did not want him dead. He also used his power to save haplo. I didn't find haplo scummy previously, but every other person that died that night was town. I think it's fairly safe to assume that aidnai an haplo may be scumbuddies. Or they are townies with a lot of vitality! I'd like you views on this.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:39 aidnai wrote:
Don't forget to weigh in on who should be shot right now, eiii, LSB and cubed. Deconduo's hit should be used sooner than later, in case we get any juicy information from it, it'd be good to have time to adjust our plans accordingly before we have to lynch someone.
A good deadline for using the hit would be 1200KST, just over an hour from now, which gives us a full 24hours to discuss/vote on our lynch.
thanks for reminding me about parity cop, kita, I copy pasted the role list into an excel file before that change was made and forgot about it.
Hopefully some of these people will swing by to give their opinions soon about who to shoot:
misder
jimbosilvers
beneather
zeks (Lurker) i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. The key thing is that decon does use his day vig ability on someone so we know he's not CPR. I think we need some more time to think about this...tomorrow is fine with me too just not too late or I'd think he's stalling for time and we forget or something. Would like to hear the answers to some of the questions still so we get more info like lynch candidates who kitaman is going to shoot (he's still one of the traitor suspects) and we haven't confirmed his role eiii's parity cop check any other people that may have useful information that they found from their abilities last night possibly
The last thing zeks said? Quoted aidnai... (he comes up a lot when we are talking about zeks) It's also funny the people aidnai is proposing to shoot. At the end there, I'd like to think zeks is trying to fish out those last power roles. And perhaps they should, but not on scum terms. So based off me going back, I think a general list of mafia purely from zeks analysis:
Aidnai - Maybe I was wrong about him being town. zeks' death sheds a lot of light on this character.
Haplo - If aidnai is scum, then without a doubt, haplo is scum. I want to look into this more.
Misder/Jimbo - A bold statement, but from zeks analysis, they aren't shining stars. fishball's little thing, and that almost transparent team work between all of them.
Hopefully that can awaken some thoughts. I' propose that these would't be lynch targets, but rather night hits that SK(s) and town KP should look into. They'd give a lot more info revolving around our only confirmed scum.
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On January 16 2011 23:02 Amber[LighT] wrote:I was the person who was connected to Zeks. I had no idea that he was mafia, but I couldn't really trust him. Here is every correspondence between us throughout the game. Also note I role blocked pigsquirrel, and he can confirm that. Note I sent him a few extra PM's that were not included in this. I will fish them out and they will be posted below this PM chain... Show nested quote +Original Message From zeks: By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo) bumatlarge - Role Cop Eiii - Parity Cop assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1 and maybe a JOAT that got picked up. Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Yes. but I'm afraid that the mafia team has two key red roles (read page 16). I'm not as worried about Fishball right now. We can lynch him whenever. Original Message From zeks: I think the medic(s) will probably protect you or kita Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Would roleblocking a traitor stop him from being recruited? If so then I'd suggest Fishball Original Message From Amber[LighT]: don't claim me until the day. I'll tell you who I'm roleblocking in case I die. Medics _SHOULD_ protect me tonight, but don't publicize that. Original Message From zeks: In danger now of lurking....I'm going to claim myself Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Ace does notify the role blocked players, just an FYI. If Fishball flips traitor I would be willing to accept that LSB is protown. BC should then die. I really don't trust BC at all. If Fishball flips anything else then Kenpachi and LSB should be looked at. They conspired to get the roles they wanted somehow. I think LSB might be the CPR since there was no other claim afaik. Deconduo might be in on this circle too. Original Message From zeks: you might want to reconfirm with Ace on this one I don't know what hte policy is on roleblocking but usually I dont think the host tells the name of the roleblocker to the roleblocked person... Original Message From Amber[LighT]: On January 14 2011 10:26 Kenpachi wrote:
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Yea Amber is a roleblocker as i can confirm this WTF does this make any sense to you? Original Message From zeks:
okay i wont claim then.
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Oooooh more juicy tidbits. This may confirm amber, but there is also a chance one of zeks partners died night 1. I don't think a mason partner dying reveals that. Plus, that whole conversation would have had to been arranged, so yeah I believe amber.
Apparently from scum, fishball is traitor. Good to know, thanks mafia!
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On January 17 2011 00:18 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 23:02 Amber[LighT] wrote:I was the person who was connected to Zeks. I had no idea that he was mafia, but I couldn't really trust him. Here is every correspondence between us throughout the game. Also note I role blocked pigsquirrel, and he can confirm that. Note I sent him a few extra PM's that were not included in this. I will fish them out and they will be posted below this PM chain... Original Message From zeks: By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo) bumatlarge - Role Cop Eiii - Parity Cop assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1 and maybe a JOAT that got picked up. Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Yes. but I'm afraid that the mafia team has two key red roles (read page 16). I'm not as worried about Fishball right now. We can lynch him whenever. Original Message From zeks: I think the medic(s) will probably protect you or kita Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Would roleblocking a traitor stop him from being recruited? If so then I'd suggest Fishball Original Message From Amber[LighT]: don't claim me until the day. I'll tell you who I'm roleblocking in case I die. Medics _SHOULD_ protect me tonight, but don't publicize that. Original Message From zeks: In danger now of lurking....I'm going to claim myself Original Message From Amber[LighT]: Ace does notify the role blocked players, just an FYI. If Fishball flips traitor I would be willing to accept that LSB is protown. BC should then die. I really don't trust BC at all. If Fishball flips anything else then Kenpachi and LSB should be looked at. They conspired to get the roles they wanted somehow. I think LSB might be the CPR since there was no other claim afaik. Deconduo might be in on this circle too. Original Message From zeks: you might want to reconfirm with Ace on this one I don't know what hte policy is on roleblocking but usually I dont think the host tells the name of the roleblocker to the roleblocked person... Original Message From Amber[LighT]:
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WTF does this make any sense to you?
[quote] Oooooh more juicy tidbits. This may confirm amber, but there is also a chance one of zeks partners died night 1. I don't think a mason partner dying reveals that. Plus, that whole conversation would have had to been arranged, so yeah I believe amber. Apparently from scum, fishball is traitor. Good to know, thanks mafia!
If Zeks was mason then I must be pro-town, according to his role description.
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I'd like to see what Eiii has found out with parity cop.
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On January 15 2011 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
and before anyone asks what I mean. This is the best sort of information you can get on someone. A player posting "analysis" to try and blend into a crowd while not contributing well, anything new and insightful. It works much better however when the player reads the thread and stays caught up and realizes said player "hes not sure about" flipped anti town. Considering the arguments against LSB were pretty damning, I would ask you this misder.
Why did you find him less scummy? Is this because you knew he wasn't mafia?
It was because he was the only one who posted a plan (besides Jimbo, but that plan was pretty late).
On January 15 2011 19:34 CubEdIn wrote:
I lol'd.
This page is full of win.
Misder, I may be stupid, because I didn't read the OP as well as I should have, but at least I'm not a fking retard.
Jimbo, I like you, really. You posted some nice stuff earlier, but now you go afk and come back like 1 minute before the night post, prolly because Ace PMed you. Please be more active in the game.
I don't think we should argue much though, just wait and see if we live through the night.
I never said you were retarded  I don't use that kind of language anyways.
On January 15 2011 23:24 zeks wrote:
I said I was going to choose between Alignment Cop / Mason / Witch / Tracker and I chose Mason
As a reminder my mason partner is verified as pro-town but until I get his permission I won't claim him yet.
Meh. So zeks stole my role. I'm a green townie then, since I followed LSBs plan and chose mason as my role.
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Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look.
Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so 
I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then?
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On January 17 2011 03:28 aidnai wrote:Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look. Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then?
I already confirmed that I was role blocked a while ago.
Pig, could you confirm that you were roleblocked as well?
deconduo, odds are pretty likely that the zeks hit was by a SK. Did you decide to switch your target since you knew fishball would be a likely lynch? Fishball, can you confirm you were hit?
If the role cop, parity cop or tracker has useful information, now would be the time to claim.
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On January 17 2011 02:36 Misder wrote:I never said you were retarded I don't use that kind of language anyways.
No, you said I'm stupid, very stupid. Mostly because I didn't read the OP well enough.
And after saying that, you went on about LSB, who had already died, and did an "analysis" on him. Which means that you've been paying less attention to the game than I was. And that's just plain ignorant.
But you know, bygones.
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On January 17 2011 03:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 03:28 aidnai wrote:Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look. Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then? I already confirmed that I was role blocked a while ago. Pig, could you confirm that you were roleblocked as well? deconduo, odds are pretty likely that the zeks hit was by a SK. Did you decide to switch your target since you knew fishball would be a likely lynch? Fishball, can you confirm you were hit? If the role cop, parity cop or tracker has useful information, now would be the time to claim.
Nope, I went after fishball, didn't switch. Third SK? o.o
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Other possibilities (highly unlikely):
-Mafia used CPR on him to because they thought someone would go after him.
-Mafia killed him so that amber could fake claim masoned because his mason partner was already dead. Involves elaborate faked PMs
-Mafia killed him in order to throw suspicion on or clear someone know that amber would post the PM logs.
-Rogue CPR/JOAT that doesn't want to reveal themselves.
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On January 17 2011 03:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 03:28 aidnai wrote:Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look. Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then? I already confirmed that I was role blocked a while ago. Pig, could you confirm that you were roleblocked as well? deconduo, odds are pretty likely that the zeks hit was by a SK. Did you decide to switch your target since you knew fishball would be a likely lynch? Fishball, can you confirm you were hit? If the role cop, parity cop or tracker has useful information, now would be the time to claim.
damn it, wish I had not missed that earlier...
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You don't need confirmation. I'm not lying and I'm confirmed as pro-town.
Kitaman was not roleblocked. I send this PM to zeks so he would know who I role blocked.
+ Show Spoiler +im goign out so i wont be around and im drunk already ...
i role blocked pigsquirrel
Original Message From zeks:
By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action
Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo)
bumatlarge - Role Cop
Eiii - Parity Cop
assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop
but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1
and maybe a JOAT that got picked up.
Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum
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