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I think he's red, and I don't know what role he has. I know that he claimed SK, but we cannot be sure about that. It makes much more sense that the CPR is still in the game.
It's like this, so far I have the following facts:
1. aidnai is witch (because he posted kill list, bla bla) - no idea what alighnement
2. deconduo either missed CPR or said he missed CPR, but CPR has still been chosen => Mafia knew what he picked => He is red.
3. My role, which I know of, but can't really prove unless I'm weak doctor I guess.
4. The mafia didn't think it was a problem killing at least one of the people who could be traitor. Turns out two died already, so there most likely isn't more than 1 red in the top 8 (traitor doesn't count)
So, based on this, I would definitely lynch deconduo. It's what I'd do, and I'd gladly 'sacrifice' myself if deconduo dies. I fail to see how his death will hurt the town, but I know that mine won't bring any new information to the game.
And all you'll do is go "oh well, he played badly". And sweep it under the rug. Killing one of the more obvious suspects is bound to get more information. Just my two cents.
I won't try to defend myself further. If you guys think lynching me is the best option for town, based on that role "tweak" thing I did (lying, yes, I did it), then go ahead, you deserve to lose this game.
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@Fishball: I admitted I lie about the role. There's nothing for Ace to clarify. However, I fail to see how: - that lie was detrimental to the town - it doesn't make sense that I would try to be less of a target for the Mafia
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On January 14 2011 05:05 CubEdIn wrote: 2. deconduo either missed CPR or said he missed CPR, but CPR has still been chosen => Mafia knew what he picked => He is red. How do you know that CPR was still chosen? Also, we aren't letting the KP float around. Suppose Deconduo is red, because we are telling him where to shoot, we essentially control mafia KP.
4. The mafia didn't think it was a problem killing at least one of the people who could be traitor. Turns out two died already, so there most likely isn't more than 1 red in the top 8 (traitor doesn't count) What are you talking about? Jackel58 was killed by deconduo. Barundar was a Bullet Bill snipe.
So, based on this, I would definitely lynch deconduo. It's what I'd do, and I'd gladly 'sacrifice' myself if deconduo dies. I fail to see how his death will hurt the town, but I know that mine won't bring any new information to the game. This is incredibly interesting. I want to wait a while for others to throw their two cents in before commenting on this
And all you'll do is go "oh well, he played badly". And sweep it under the rug. Killing one of the more obvious suspects is bound to get more information. Just my two cents. We don't lynch for information. Lynching for information is a horrible idea since the information can be gotten from careful analysis anyways.
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Wouldn't 2 SK + mafia hit account for the 4 deaths? Just wondering...
3 SK does seem unlikely though...
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Cub's claim is pretty legit, I think. Until we have really good mafia candidates.
The funny thing is, though we have good odds of finding the traitor even if we just guess, once we concentrate on killing him mafia has no incentive to try and convert him anymore, so he'll just die and mafia gets a night or two pressure-free. But, if we don't kill him, mafia is going to want to convert him-- and they'll do so pretty quickly, since he's easy to find (plus) and to find him they basically just have to swing around in the top eight (plus) until they hit the right person.
I dunno, this seems like a pretty shitty situation for town at the moment. As far as I can tell pretty much none of the blue roles we may or may not have have kicked in or done anything useful yet, and we're actually in a position to lose in the next day or two if we don't play this really well. Personally, I think going for the traitor is the best move here. He's not going to be too tough to find, and even if it takes more than just today to hunt him at least the blues can get some useful info tonight or tomorrow and that'll put us back on the right track. It's totally a judgment call, though-- I just don't see anyone who sticks out as scum atm.
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every single time I post like half a page goes by in the time it takes me to write it up :| I'm responding to fish at the bottom of 44.
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On January 14 2011 05:09 LSB wrote: How do you know that CPR was still chosen? Also, we aren't letting the KP float around. Suppose Deconduo is red, because we are telling him where to shoot, we essentially control mafia KP.
Right, if he's Day Vig. But what if he is, indeed CPR, or night vig or w/e? Then you're not controlling anything. And until you ask him to shoot someone, he can off people at night easily. I asked: are we 100% sure about his role?
What are you talking about? Jackel58 was killed by deconduo. Barundar was a Bullet Bill snipe.
What? Ok you lost me here. How did deconduo kill anyone if he was the Copy Cat to begin with? Did you completely miss THIS POST? Or am I missing a lot of things here?
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...he's sk. He can kill one person a night.
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And how was Barundar a Bullet Bill Snipe?
Bullet Bill is supposed to detect if players carry a gun or not. Not "Snipe" people.
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Barundar was mafia's kill. He had the bullet bill role.
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Oh nvm forgot haplo got saved. I really need to read through everything first.
Barundar got sniped I think that's what he meant
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On January 14 2011 05:19 Eiii wrote: ...he's sk. He can kill one person a night.
Regardless of the role? I'm sorry then, I was under the false impression that he had to have a role before he had to start killing people.
But even so, that doesn't really clarify anything. We don't know for sure if he's SK or Red. We don't know for sure what role he has, etc.
And you THINK you're controlling KPs but he can always claim X was protected, or that he was Role-Blocked, etc. The only thing you can really control is the day vig.
And if he is CPR, and red (worst case scenario), then you are actively allowing +2kp for Mafia. Awesome.
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If Deconduo is the copycat, why would he kill someone he believes to be a townie (based upon the information Jackal provided) if he could pick up the dead players role. There seem to be a bunch of players that he could have chosen to possibly get a role, but to kill someone who has been more-or-less identified as a townie knowing that they will gain a power role by the beginning of the day seems a little off.
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He had to kill jackal or he would have been lynched right away, he could have just been relying on mafia to hit a powerful role for him.
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...now that I think about it, the only explanation I can think of for him passing on CPR doc for CC-- as SK OR mafia-- would be if he was mafia and wanted a teammate a couple picks down to get it instead of him. I'm having a really hard time justifying why, as SK, he would take CC instead of more KP.
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Woo, time for analysis time. Lets see how much hate it gets me.
HI LSB! *waves* remember me? Maybe you don't but you won't after this I swear!
Guess what people its time to analyze the infamous LSB, the planner, the strategizer and the anti town.
So lets open up with some fun times.
On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote:Information is Beautiful Introductory Notes + Show Spoiler +1. There are 21 roles, and 21 People. Of these roles. Only three are completely ainti-town. The Godfather, the Traitor, and the Janitor (To a degree). 2. There are two doctors. So even if the mafia knows where two of the most powerful roles are (JOAT, Bullet Bill). It shouldn’t be a problem as we can protect them every single time. 3. The mafia only has 1 kp. So at best, they can only take out one good role a night
Taking these two points in mind, I’m coming up with the Information is Beautiful plan. The goal of the plan is to give almost everyone a role so that there will be soo many blues that the mafia can't do anything about it. The plan in a nutshell. We will create a list of roles. For example 1. CPR Doc 2. Comp Vig 3. Janitor. Lets say the draft turns out to be 1. LSB 2. Deconduo 3. Kenpachi LSB would draft the CPR Doc role Deconduo would draft the Comp Vig role Kenpachi would draft the Janitor role We do this for 20 roles. The last person will randomly chose a role. Because picking traitor would be dumb. Step one: Number Picking PhaseWe want the number picking phase to be as random as possible. So please. No one declare what number they will be picking. This will make it hard for the mafia to predict what spot they will take. We will put together a list of what spot will take which role. This way the mafia won’t be able to pick which role they are forced to take. Step two: Role Drafting PhaseEveryone will draft the role they will suppose to be drafting. Step three: Resolve DisputesLets say the person who was suppose to pick JOAT didn’t get his role. We can start sending Role Cops and Bullet Bills to figure out who took the JOAT role. ConsiderationsInformationThe mafia would know where every single role would be. This means that our alignment cops are pretty vulnerable. But remember, the town would know where every single role. This opens up lots and lots of possibilities. DTs immediately telling results. Doctors claiming who they are going to protect before they do, so if they actually are weak doctors, we got a 100% mafia. Town will also get up to three KP. 1 Lynch KP. 1 CPR Doc. 1 Comp Vig. The town KP will severely outnumber the mafia KP. Serial KillerThere is a key fact about the SK we can exploit. The SK is bulletproof. That means that whenever one of the town hits doesn't go off and is blocked, that person is the SK.
Stunning plan which he mentioned pre game. Now lets look at some preliminary comments to it
On January 03 2011 13:41 Incognito wrote: Lol @ LSB's plan. Why am I so tempted to join this game...
On January 05 2011 00:15 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 14:47 Incognito wrote:On January 03 2011 14:43 LSB wrote:On January 03 2011 13:16 kitaman27 wrote:On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: 2. There are two doctors. So even if the mafia knows where two of the most powerful roles are (JOAT, Bullet Bill). It shouldn’t be a problem as we can protect them every single time.
What about the fact that the medics identities will be public too? Couldn't they be picked off day one? On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote:3. The mafia only has 1 kp. So at best, they can only take out one good role a night Town has to worry about 2 kp because the SK will likely be sniping good roles as well. It is unlikely that any of these kills will be blocked if the veteran, bulletproof, hider are all public and the medics are sitting ducks. Would it be better for the anti-town roles to be predetermined so the town has some control over them, while the pro-town roles remain hidden? That would result in some overlap in role selection, however important roles like bullet bill and alignment cop won't be taken out so easily. All right, in order to understand this fully, you have to understand one thing Clash is equivilant to a mafia kill / SK kill Lets say that in my plan, I was assigned the DT and you the Medic. All right, mafia might spend on of their KPs and take out the DT Now, lets say we just randomly choose roles. I picked DT, and you picked DT. Sure the mafia 'doesn't know where the medic is' but we have no medic. Frankly, yeah, one of our DT/Medics will die. But we got 19 other blue roles to draw up on. The point of the plan is to eliminate clash in role selection so that we get an obcene amount of information. If you still don't understand, try propsing a solution. The threat of having a medic is almost as good as actually having a medic. As you know, medic saves are quite rare. As long as mafia thinks there are medics in the game, then they can't just brashly decide to hit someone important and know with confidence that he will die. As long as no medics die, mafia always have to choose hits with the consideration that there might be medics. Town could care less if they actually exist. Agreed! By far the most important thing is keeping the mafia from having perfect information. Actual roles can help depending on how things develop, but they are not the end-all in these games and surely not worth giving the mafia full (or even too much) info.
On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it.
On January 05 2011 07:40 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it. Yup. God help the town, especially if they have to deal with a traitor.
On January 05 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Did LSB just assign a single role to every draft?... That's even worse than Radfield's plan.
Now everyone keep in mind, THIS IS ALL PREGAME. It has been turned down by citizen, fishball, ace, incog, and Ver. Now, this is a pretty decent group of players that hated the plan. Now lets see what happens as the first day approaches.
On January 07 2011 08:02 LSB wrote: 1. CPR Doc 2. JOAT 3. Vig 4. Bullet Bill 5. Copy Cat 6. Doctor 7. Role Blocker 8. Doctor 9. Day Vig 10. Role Cop 11. Pardoner 12. Alignment Cop 13. Politican 14. Tracker 15. Mason 16. Witch 17. Hider 18. Janitor 19. Bulletproof 20. Prince of Darkness 21. Veteran 22. God Father
Philosophy Red Roles are "Watch Roles". These roles if they do anything suspicious the town can easily tell and lynch. Mafia cannot do much with these roles
Green Roles are "Pro town roles". These roles are crucial as their abilities to gather information and protect others can bring town victory
Blue Roles are "role verifiable roles". These role can easily prove that they picked the role that they were suppose to pick. This will be useful if people find if someone stole their pick, or when we're hunting the traitor.
Alternation : The roles that we don't want the mafia to get their hands on are the green roles. That's why I alternated the green roles with the red/blue roles. This way it will be harder for the mafia to snag up these roles.
The confirming as started, people have their preliminary alignments, and he begins posting his plan again, wait what? wasnt this already bashed down and proven to be anti town. Still hes pushing it.
Lets see some reactions now the game has started.
On January 07 2011 08:22 Fishball wrote: Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time.
I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan.
On January 07 2011 09:04 JimboSilvers wrote: Why should we follow it?
Clearly we need some kind of control over certain roles but your plan was already poor received by a lot of people here. Yes you may have altered it but you are still trying to control every pick which keeps some of the same problems. I have yet to finish reading #2 but Ace already said mafia lost due to inactivity not the plan. Using that as support seems stupid.
But there's a more important reason. This is GODAMN PICK YOUR POWER 3. It's going to be awesome. It is not LSB's slumberhouse of bored afkers. I sure as hell aint using no predetermined list.
On January 07 2011 09:49 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 09:08 LSB wrote: Why we need the plan? Would happen with everyone picking what they want? For starters:
There's going to be a few townies that get the role they want. Maybe there's going to be a Bullet Bill, and a JOAT.
There's going to be a whole bunch of townies that tried to pick the Bullet Bill and the Joat, but didn't get it so they just ended up green.
There's going to be a whole bunch of roles that are important left untouched because no townie decided to pick it.
It's going to be easy for mafia to pick up the roles they want. Just get a high draft number and start stealing. You act like it will be so easy for mafia to get high draft numbers. Doing it this way allows them to downplay their draft numbers, giving them more comfort during the draft for roles that could be beneficial for them or detrimental for the town to lose.
On January 07 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: also lsb -_- *facepalm* Your plan gives wayyyyyy to much information to mafia. It also gives the mafia a stupid easy time of faking being town depending on the role they get.
On January 07 2011 14:06 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 08:22 Fishball wrote: Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time.
I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan. I'm going to do what fishball is doing. I think LSB's list is a nice guideline for what you should be looking for, but it should not be set in stone. It's easily infiltrated and a lot can get screwed up. I think you should rewrite the list LSB with what you think is best for each slot, and then add an alternative choice. For instance, Slot 1 should take CPR doc 100%, so we can keep tabs. Now I would argue that slot 2 should take CV, because we want to minimize confusion in the case of clash. Then again, your plan of staggering the pro-town/mafia-denied roles will make it very difficult for mafia to secure what they want. If we assume the mafia is going to play safe, then this should go smoothly. Yet mafia may be willing to play risky, jeopardizing town's plan of denying and securing in exchange for a member. I think we should leave it up to who gets the role. Now for numbers, I'd say if you want to be pro-town and possibly net a powerful role, go [1-7][1]. This threatens mafia in tying, forcing them to take odder numbers. If you want a strong role and feel you will play it beneficially, go [1-10][1-5]. If you feel a lot of suspicion, you can roll high, can placed towards the middle and check what your suspect picks, though that should be only when you feel very strongly about someone's scumosity. But if you do find an alternate role pick, and that person hasn't been secretive about what they will pick, you net the whole town a traitor or a sneaky scum. But that's also a high risk chance of you checking a townie and getting vanilla, or you making an accurate FoS, but finding that mafia has no plans of diverting from his role. So in short, LSB's list should just highly recommend things. If you get slot 9 and think you want to see if you can get JOAT, Go for it! If you are slot 1, tell everyone you are picking CPR, and then pick GF instead, then you got some 'splainin to do.
On January 07 2011 16:25 Misder wrote: /confirm
I think this debate will become down to whether or not giving town info/roles outweighs giving mafia info/roles.
Couple things for the plan: 1) Mafia has only 1 KP, so I feel like the only way they can possibly win is if they get a KP role. 2) Role cop has some usage by checking roles and seeing if it corresponds to what role they should have gotten. 3) Allows for more roles a) Avoids clash between town for important town roles ie tracker (although refer to 1b and 2 of the following list) 4) Doesn't guarantee a stop in giving mafia roles that they would want ie CPR Doc
Couple things I'm concerned about LSB's plan: 1) Guarantee that mafia will get roles a) Since we know the draft order once we pick numbers, if mafia lands on one of the roles that is crucial to mafia, ie vigilante, mafia can relax in getting the role they want. b) Even if mafia doesn't get the role they want according to LSB's list, they may still conform with the list just to deny the town with a useful role ie Bullet Bill c) All the roles are useful for mafia in some way (except role cop, but refer to 2) 2) Still doesn't stop mafia from clashing with important town roles, esp if mafia ends up with a role that they don't want 2) Plan makes bulletproof and veteran useless, as they can't draw in mafia KP. 3) Mafia will know who is what role, and is able to target by role instead of in the dark.
Right now, I'm leaning towards no to LSB's plan, partly because of pregame discussion but mostly because I feel cons outweigh pros.
Ok everyone, I know what your thinking? why is he quoting so many peoples posts. Simple, This is an example of all the kickback this plan got, from pre game, into number drafting. STILL, he pushed this plan. It was pushed all the way up till the draft picks were assigned, and continued into the current day where people "should have picked" specific roles. However, if you think the whole idea of pushing this plan is bad, keep in mind he sat back and did not claim he didn't recieve his role. Normally this wouldn't be considered a bad thing, except for reasons like this.
On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.
On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim.
On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.
On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim?
On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB?
On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role.
On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof?
On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor?
On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this.
On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT
Now, he has had more posts obviously, but the majority of his pregame/draft pick/day 1/beginning of day 2 is now up quoted. See the pattern? Very little is actually offered. He pushes a plan that is agreed upon to be anti town by the majority. He then after failing to get his own role via the draft pick sits back and asks for people to claim, repeatedly. Its an information hunt, building who has x role. We then have him refuse to claim when asked when he was assigned one of the roles that was supposed to claim into the main thread if it was taken by someone else.
See that last part there? HE DIDN"T FOLLOW HIS OWN PLAN. Period. He didn't follow the plan he was trying to push, he tried to farm information from people. He refused to claim, but still tried to call the shots on what other roles are doing. Plus, most of his posts are fluff.
I realize that I have not been the most active of people, but this is getting ridiculous. A player who has played this game so anti town is unbelievable that A) he is still be listened to B) He isn't dead yet C) Everyone is oblivious to points A and B.
Everyone just sit back and re read his posts. Aside from his "plan" that next to no one followed (including himself no less!), he has posted very little contributions to the thread aside from trying to bandwagon kenpachi and aidnai. Today he begins the hunt for the traitor (which I am equally as bad for), and speculating on roles.
Overall he has done very very very little to actually benefit the town, and more to benefit himself / mafia. With the way he has been playing he is either a second SK or part of the mafia. Regardless, not enough posts of his appear townlike, and far too many appear anti town.
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On January 14 2011 05:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Woo, time for analysis time. Lets see how much hate it gets me.
HI LSB! *waves* remember me? Maybe you don't but you won't after this I swear! HI!
Now everyone keep in mind, THIS IS ALL PREGAME. It has been turned down by citizen, fishball, ace, incog, and Ver. Now, this is a pretty decent group of players that hated the plan. Now lets see what happens as the first day approaches.
Ok everyone, I know what your thinking? why is he quoting so many peoples posts. Simple, This is an example of all the kickback this plan got, from pre game, into number drafting. STILL, he pushed this plan. It was pushed all the way up till the draft picks were assigned, and continued into the current day where people "should have picked" specific roles. However, if you think the whole idea of pushing this plan is bad, keep in mind he sat back and did not claim he didn't recieve his role. Normally this wouldn't be considered a bad thing, except for reasons like this.
Now, he has had more posts obviously, but the majority of his pregame/draft pick/day 1/beginning of day 2 is now up quoted. See the pattern? Very little is actually offered. He pushes a plan that is agreed upon to be anti town by the majority. He then after failing to get his own role via the draft pick sits back and asks for people to claim, repeatedly. Its an information hunt, building who has x role. We then have him refuse to claim when asked when he was assigned one of the roles that was supposed to claim into the main thread if it was taken by someone else. Yeah, and why did I push the plan? You seemed to have ignored this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=8#145 If you still don't understand why I pushed the plan, I'll ask a question. Would you rather have Kenpachi be godfather, or JOAT?
Secondly, the plan is not anti-town if followed correctly. I proposed it because it controlled KP and allowed the investigative roles to do their work.If you want to argue about whether the plan is good or bad, then do so. Don't quote people like JimboSilver's who's plan was worse, Amber[Light] who was flat out wrong about how much number clash there will be, and some more people just stating an opinion with no reasoning.
If you want, I can stick up PMs with me discussing the plan with Incog
See that last part there? HE DIDN"T FOLLOW HIS OWN PLAN. Period. He didn't follow the plan he was trying to push, he tried to farm information from people. He refused to claim, but still tried to call the shots on what other roles are doing. Plus, most of his posts are fluff. Go read the thread. And if you want to decide whether my posts are fluff please analyze them
I realize that I have not been the most active of people, but this is getting ridiculous. A player who has played this game so anti town is unbelievable that A) he is still be listened to B) He isn't dead yet C) Everyone is oblivious to points A and B. What do you mean by B?
Everyone just sit back and re read his posts. Aside from his "plan" that next to no one followed (including himself no less!), he has posted very little contributions to the thread aside from trying to bandwagon kenpachi and aidnai. Today he begins the hunt for the traitor (which I am equally as bad for), and speculating on roles. This is a flat out lie. I was against the aidnai lynch from the start. In addition after Kenpachi claimed godfather I confirmed and defended him.
In addition, I am not hunting for the traitor. The hunt for the Copy Cat was a night role confirming game where we were trying to net a red. Todays target of CubE... I don't want to repeat myself so you can just look at my posts.
And what's bad about speculating about roles? Sure, if that's all I did, I understand. However I have done much more, and someone has to do it else we get people like CubE running around who thinks Deconduo is some kind of Mafia CPR Doc.
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On January 14 2011 05:17 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 05:09 LSB wrote: How do you know that CPR was still chosen? Also, we aren't letting the KP float around. Suppose Deconduo is red, because we are telling him where to shoot, we essentially control mafia KP.
Right, if he's Day Vig. But what if he is, indeed CPR, or night vig or w/e? Then you're not controlling anything. And until you ask him to shoot someone, he can off people at night easily. I asked: are we 100% sure about his role? I think it would be hilarious if Deconduo just killed CubEdIn right now to confirm his role
On January 14 2011 05:35 Eiii wrote: ...now that I think about it, the only explanation I can think of for him passing on CPR doc for CC-- as SK OR mafia-- would be if he was mafia and wanted a teammate a couple picks down to get it instead of him. I'm having a really hard time justifying why, as SK, he would take CC instead of more KP. Deconduo claims he was drunk, and since he is Irish I believe him.
Also posting this + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 22:29 deconduo wrote: I did not get the role I asked for.
Mafia must have some way of manipulating the picks. Was a really dumb idea. Or a brilliant gamble.
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That's fine with me.
At least town won't waste a lynch based on your accusations.
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Anyone else think BC is scum? I'd rather have deconduo use his shot on BC than cubed, to be honest. I really think cubed is a doctor, and most likely town since I can't think of why a scum/sk would want that role.
BC on the other hand was awfully quiet for like three days, and now he jumps in to spam FOS's everywhere (so far kenpachi, cubed, and now LSB).
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