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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:06 dinmsab wrote: Now that you mentioned it, why are we talking? Shouldn't we be like... PIKA PIKA??! Maybe we are all like Meowth? We definitely need to vote for double lynch this next lynch since we have missed on the first two. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 16 2010 00:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: That's the thing, i didn't fall into anything, unless you d3 and lsb planned to mention my name and try calling me out (which is why d3 never mentioned you). Then i only so happened to mention your name, not even paint you as scum and you were way to quick on protecting yourself and painting me as scum. That in it self says scum all over it. And you still haven't given a good reason as to why i am scum yet, you just keep saying im scum and to vote for me... On December 15 2010 05:47 LSB wrote: I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote: I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out. People springing to mind: LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments). On December 12 2010 00:36 LSB wrote: Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK. I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon. On December 13 2010 06:32 LSB wrote: Anyone else remember this? Zeks hasn't joined Team Mafia yet! (Most illigit lynch ever, but hey... could be slipup) By Scummy I mean that you sound like scum, even though you may be town The games I've played with you RAM: Zeks was inactive, non-comittal Harry Potter Mafia: Zeks has done nothing to contribute to the town and only talks about his own mayoral campagain. PYP2  retty scummy from what I rememberTL Mafia XXX: I dunno, I died quiet early. Glares at Infun On December 15 2010 10:30 LSB wrote: All right. If Zeks flips green. Take note of this. If he's red, I will eat my words. The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:15 zeks wrote: Nope I'm pretty sure you're dead dead lol DrH never explicitly stated that they were dead. Bodies doesn't ALWAYS mean you're dead. ex: When you look at someone and say "DAYUM SON THAT'S A HOT BOD" they're probably not dead. On December 16 2010 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe we are all like Meowth? We definitely need to vote for double lynch this next lynch since we have missed on the first two. 1) What? What do you mean "we're all like Meowth"? ARE YOU MEOWTH?! SCUM DETECTED 2) If we vote double lynch tomorrow, it'll come into effect Day 5, so I agree with this man, unless 2 scum | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:50 seRapH wrote: 1) What? What do you mean "we're all like Meowth"? ARE YOU MEOWTH?! SCUM DETECTED Dang, can't fool you. I'm actually part of a third party group of incompetent TR's whose goal is to identify and catch a single pikachu. So far, things haven't worked out so well  On December 16 2010 02:50 seRapH wrote: 2) If we vote double lynch tomorrow, it'll come into effect Day 5, so I agree with this man, unless 2 scum You mean Day 4 right? If we vote for it on day 3 then it comes into effect the next day. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_- Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular: - Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers. - The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well) Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:10 kitaman27 wrote: Dang, can't fool you. I'm actually part of a third party group of incompetent TR's whose goal is to identify and catch a single pikachu. So far, things haven't worked out so well You mean Day 4 right? If we vote for it on day 3 then it comes into effect the next day. Oh right tomorrow's day 3. Yeah, so day 4 it'll come into effect then. Thanks. You're still TR though. | ||
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Brocket
Australia192 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Ok, so here’s some general town advice, and an answer to a question. While I may disagree to some extent on the advise given, I’ve heard other pro-town players give this advice before, so I’m not going to call it scummy because I disagree with it. This post makes sense for: Green, Blue, Red On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Things like role checks. I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work. A correction, and an agreement on a strategy. While I think that the agreement was unneeded at that point, it’s not all that scummy. On December 10 2010 11:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't know if the inactive plan is really going to be good. This is why I figured the DT's should be smart enough to make their own decisions and post only when they come across something ground breaking. A somewhat non-committal disagreement with the Inactive Lynch plan. I wish he would give an alternative instead of just disagreeing with the plan though. This is lightly scummy. On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise. I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something. Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia. According to your first paragraph, there are only two possibilities for Gabe’s bandwagon: He’s posting good material, so the mafia want to kill him, OR, he’s Mafia trying to control the town. This excludes the most obvious third way that I saw this falling: Gabe is posting scummy, and the town is bandwagoning him. Look at what has happened since: He’s escaped two lynches, both of which he was a strong target for. If the mafia had wanted him dead, they could have done it pretty easily the first day. Conclusion? The mafia wants him alive, because he’s either mafia, or he’s doing such a great job of screwing the town over that they’d rather he stay alive for now. An interesting oversight on your part. The second paragraph comments on a few obvious points, and then gives some background information on him. The information isn’t all that helpful, but it’s good to know. This could have been an effort by you (mafia) to keep him alive, or an effort by you (town) to shed more light on the situation. On December 11 2010 04:11 Amber[LighT] wrote: Ignore this I was incorrect about how I thought Gengar functioned in this game. Corrections, and a question. A legitimate question given the confusion with the long day 1. Nothing scummy here. On December 11 2010 22:45 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm more inclined to believe Kenpachi is TR vs. Zeks being TR. His playstyle has been really ambiguous and, for a lack of better words, poor. There's no reason to make posts like the one above (see tree.huggers spoiler) unless you weren't ready to commit to something. I was thinking about the game last night and trying to figure out how each side will play. Unfortunately for Team Rocket they have a lot to worry about in this game. They need to make sure they can lynch Mewtwo. Not only is he a 3rd party vigilante, but he's immune to night hits. Team Rocket will need to align with//manipulate the town on this one. When a hit fails, it would be a good idea for one team rocket member to step forward and claim for the team that a hit didn't follow throw. This will help Team Rocket keep their anonymity but will eliminate a threat to both the pokealliance and themselves. Consider the idea, Team Rocket. I'm also inclined to believe that Team Rocket will need to assimilate themselves into the pokealliance's plans, so it just seems weird that Gabriel, Zeks, and Kenpachi are posting how they are posting. It doesn't seem suspicious when you consider the fact that they need to avoid an extra threat as well. “Unfortunately for Team Rocket” LOL, WUT? Don’t you mean “Fortunetly”? How did I miss this before? This whole second paragraph is rather odd… Look, as far as I can tell, Mewtwo is trying to hit townies. So why would the mafia be afraid of that? I looks like Mewtwo is going to be helpful to the mafia for the first half of the game, and an enemey for the second half. Also, towards the end, you are negotiating with terrorists. Sending a message to TR? Trying to remove suspicion says I. On December 11 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: i love the word "inclined," it helps describe my feelings better. (didn't mean to repeat) Meh. Spammy, but short. Not really scummy. On December 13 2010 12:28 Amber[LighT] wrote: So where's the 4th hit? And it would be safe to assume that whoever Tree.Hugger put his voltorb on was mewtwo. He didn't leave much of a paper trail on that though. Questions. Fine. You didn’t consider that the Voltorb was on a Vet, but I’m not going to hold that against you. That time was all rather confusing. On December 13 2010 12:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Based upon the description for Electrod he should only be able to place one Voltorb per night. Uh… He never said that he placed two. SPAM. A little scummy. On December 13 2010 12:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Electrode I only include stuff like this so that it’s a totally unbiased picking of posts. On December 15 2010 04:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lol you're terrible scum. You sit around throwing names around after inactivity to make it look like a contribution. You picked me out because I'm not the most active person in the thread, yet I've been confident with most of my posts. I corrected any mistakes or misinterpretations I originally had. Kenpachi was the right choice. There's nothing more to discuss. I think we're analyzing too much on the night actions. I believe Hesmyrr so I'm going to believe Pandain when he takes his place, if anything. Vote for obvious scum. Vote for ShoCkeyy I’ve already stated that Shockeyy looked scummy, but the post was at the wrong time. I actually wrote a lot about this post, so I won’t repeat it. If you want to see it, check my post on page 33. SCUMMY. Note: the following was incorrectly formatted by Amber, so there was a lot of confusion as to what was actually said. He never came back and fixed it, which looks a little scummy. If something is worth saying, it’s worth coming back and fixing. I’ve tried to format it for about 30 min, and failed, so I’m just putting it here. My comments will be in blue for the rest of the post. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 07:57 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 07:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: Want to bandwagon against me? Well heres your chance to now redeem yourselves from what I'm about to post. Analysis for Day 1: Already agreeing with each other, but hey this isn't enough yet. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'll just use posts made before Inactives: Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Things like role checks. I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work. On December 10 2010 10:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Hesmyrr with the insubstantial "I agree" post. Let's watch out for him. d3, why don't you also watch out for your team mates? or are you trying to confuse the town as well. Here's some more agreeing by LSB, BUT CONTRADICTING. First d3 says meh to LSB plan, but then later on agrees to LSB plan. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions. On December 10 2010 10:11 LSB wrote: Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts + Show Spoiler + Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste. Some more agreeing from d3 to LSB + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:32 d3_crescentia wrote: Seconded. That is kind of bullshit. Something a townie once said, which is quite true. Why would you go into a game already telling what people to do? Why do you constantly force your opinion to be "the voice of reasoning" + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: @LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around. On December 10 2010 09:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't not support it (if that makes any sense). I am going under the assumption that our blues are at least halfway competent players, and will be able to think for themselves to use their roles effectively. This may be very naive though. I think general direction right now is fine for now, as long as we don't get too specific, especially Day 1. The last thing I want is for blues to be sniped right away. In this sense, I definitely agree with you that everyone should keep their roles secret for now. Tube Calling out LSB after LSB tried to "Defend" himself from Kav + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote: Also, before you defend LSB you should take another look at the manners in which hes been posting Day 2 Coming soon. You should probably also note in your smear campaign that the post you quoted from me wasnt a simple agree. I had another post that you neglected: [QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do?[/QUOTE] Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Defense. Meh, expected from anyone. Note: the following was incorrectly formatted by Amber, so there was a lot of confusion as to what was actually said. He never came back and fixed it, which looks a little scummy. If something is worth saying, it’s worth coming back and fixing. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 08:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 08:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: But you certainly agreed with jumping on the "ShoCkeyy" bandwagon with d3 after me just naming you. I never pointed you out as scum, I basically just said that there's other people to be pointing at as well that he never mentioned. Then all the sudden after d3 and you voted for me, here comes LSB voting for me as well, when all three of you don't even have any form of analysis or clues as to why I am scum. You just "assumed" I am scum, all three of you that have been backing each other up for a while now in this game. [/QUOTE] There was no bandwagon. I don't understand where you got this thought from. If there was a bandwagon you would be ahead in votes. [/QUOTE] I already addressed this as well. There is likely a difference in definitions. I see this as a little bit of a dodge, which is lightly scummy. Personally, I think that there is an interesting correlation between you guys, but I don’t see that as scum right away. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 22:12 Amber[LighT] wrote: Okay guys thanks for listening to me. Shockeyy should be eliminated come Day 2. Medics should NOT protect themselves if they can. They should be blue-hunting. If you suspect someone is a pika/raichu then ignore them and move on.[/QUOTE] Hmm. I believe you were of the opinion that blues shouldn’t be directed earlier. An interesting change of opinion. Also, this could be a little deciveing. Yes, Medics should be blue hunting, but they are the ONLY ones who should be. Even then, they need to participate in the Red Hunt. I repeat, this game is not about blue hunting, it’s about RED hunting. Scummy post here. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 22:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:  ay 3Voting Zeks was a silly bandwagon. Hence why I never even discussed it or spoke about it.[/QUOTE] Hmm. And yet a silly bandwagon carried all the way through, and wasted the town’s lynch for the day. Perhaps you should re-evaluate the things that you should post on. Cause if you are mafia, it makes sense to let a “silly” zeks wagon go on. Scummy. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 23:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 22:12 Amber[LighT] wrote: Okay guys thanks for listening to me. Shockeyy should be eliminated come Day 2. Medics should NOT protect themselves if they can. They should be blue-hunting. If you suspect someone is a pika/raichu then ignore them and move on.[/QUOTE] Yes vote for me... you still haven't even given a good excuse to the town as to why to vote for me. . At least i actually gave input as to what i think about and proved you, lsb, and d3 are scum....[/QUOTE] You've been tripping all over your own posts, leaving things out, neglecting other posts, taking things out of context. Without a doubt this is scum-play, and bad scum-play at that.[/QUOTE] I think that you are right about some things, but your blowing them out of proportions a bit. I can understand the lash back after being attacked, but making your language more extreme doesn’t help your argument. This strikes me as a nervous person, which equals a scummy person. [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 23:31 Amber[LighT] wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote: I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out. People springing to mind: LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments). Oceania &Seraph (said to death, lack of posts and jumping on teh wagon. I don't think much about posters like these but even I noticed a lack of posts from Oceania and Seraph. It's way too easy to sit back and vote, you got to get in the game if you want to stay). Amber (really quick on voting Shockeyy, way too quick especially when we were already divided about zeks and gabriel. d3 has distanced himself from you and i think lsb will plan to as well.) But I'm going to let other people talk now. I feel like my posts have made some people shy away from posting their ideas/opinions which isn't good. Please post something you think has happened or looks strange. As far as me voting myself: I will vote myself if suspicion falls on me and you guys want to confirm I'm a townie. I already said that I believed zeks/gabe were mafia and I'm already half wrong. [/QUOTE] D3, LSB, and I have no real connection. I didn't even know that D3 voted for ShoCkeyy, I was just ready to get a good lynch target on the map. I was waiting for the right person to start FoSing, and Shockeyy fell right into it. It could have been anyone, but an inactive that makes posts without substance and posts of straight-out lies makes him an obvious target.[/QUOTE] More expected defense. Sorry, but could you point out the straight-out lies? I agree that he’s a target, but you seem over confident. Are you mafia trying to jump on a player that looks suspicious? Lightly scummy. So my overall thoughts on Ambers posts are that he looks scummy, but not overly so. I honestly am not sure what to think of him. He fits my profile for a Blue that's not paying alot of attention to the game, and a Red that's doing a pretty good job of hiding. He’s posted some stuff that has helped the town, and some stuff that looks scummy to me. I’m going to withhold judgment on him for now, but I urge the town to keep their eye on him. I will say that he’s certainly not a strong lynch yet, so I don’t plan on voting him, unless something else comes out… Also, Iol. This spoiler tag is auto generated...So confusing. 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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
WAKE UP TL MAFIA  | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 16 2010 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've only received one night action and the mafia hits so far. I need night actions seraph used thunderpunch on shockeyy! | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 16 2010 08:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: o_o what the hell is this suppose to mean? I'm vigi and I night hit you obv. If mafia or mewtwo does end up killing you though, I claim no responsibility >.> | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On December 15 2010 07:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: Want to bandwagon against me? Well heres your chance to now redeem yourselves from what I'm about to post. Analysis for Day 1: Already agreeing with each other, but hey this isn't enough yet. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'll just use posts made before Inactives: Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: *Things like role checks. I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work. On December 10 2010 10:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Hesmyrr with the insubstantial "I agree" post. Let's watch out for him. d3, why don't you also watch out for your team mates? or are you trying to confuse the town as well. Here's some more agreeing by LSB, BUT CONTRADICTING. First d3 says meh to LSB plan, but then later on agrees to LSB plan. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions. On December 10 2010 10:11 LSB wrote: Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts + Show Spoiler + Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste. Some more agreeing from d3 to LSB + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 10:32 d3_crescentia wrote: Seconded. That is kind of bullshit. Something a townie once said, which is quite true. Why would you go into a game already telling what people to do? Why do you constantly force your opinion to be "the voice of reasoning" + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: @LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around. On December 10 2010 09:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't not support it (if that makes any sense). I am going under the assumption that our blues are at least halfway competent players, and will be able to think for themselves to use their roles effectively. This may be very naive though. I think general direction right now is fine for now, as long as we don't get too specific, especially Day 1. The last thing I want is for blues to be sniped right away. In this sense, I definitely agree with you that everyone should keep their roles secret for now. Tube Calling out LSB after LSB tried to "Defend" himself from Kav + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote: Also, before you defend LSB you should take another look at the manners in which hes been posting Look at his defense against Kav's [long] list of suspicions. He tries to answer for all of his posts by merely responding that they were all taken out of context. Nor does he even say what "specific purpose" any of those posts had. If those purposes were to answer questions, they had more of an effect of making him look like hes trying hard to come off as town. Though apparently we should see his purposes as "quiet obvious" to the point where he does not have to explain them. (or can't?) Day 2 Coming soon. You should probably also note in your smear campaign that the post you quoted from me wasnt a simple agree. I had another post that you neglected: On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 16 2010 09:38 seRapH wrote: I'm vigi and I night hit you obv. If mafia or mewtwo does end up killing you though, I claim no responsibility >.> There is no vig. =P | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote: Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members? Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote: I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers.  Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote: tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote: @LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler + 1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. | ||
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d3_crescentia
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On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. | ||
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