I know it's just anecdotal, but lower league players seem much more willing to accept that maybe, just maybe, they were outplayed and that's why they lost.
Higher leagues=Higher bad manners? - Page 6
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Zauvryn
United States18 Posts
I know it's just anecdotal, but lower league players seem much more willing to accept that maybe, just maybe, they were outplayed and that's why they lost. | ||
-Mav-
United States50 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
Once you get past that most people are reasonably well mannered. This sums it up pretty well: I know at my level (2.2k Diamond) all I really see/say myself are things like no gg, a small balance whine like, "Man I can't beat zergs", or a comment on map balance (the one I do myself, damn you ZvP Jungle Basin) | ||
VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On December 11 2010 00:55 Logo wrote: There seems to be a band of players around the low-mid to mid diamond that BM a lot. It's when you get to the sort of level where well executed cheese or simple rushes (like 4 gate) begin to lose effectiveness. You get into the players that are either a) mad their rushes aren't working and rather than playing more solidly blame it on the game/you b) are serious enough to want to win/improve but aren't serious or experienced enough to understand how. Its the sort of players that may execute well, but not at all understand overlord placement, scout timings, or how to read a strategy on partial information. Once you get past that most people are reasonably well mannered. This sums it up pretty well: I know at my level (2.2k Diamond) all I really see/say myself are things like no gg, a small balance whine like, "Man I can't beat zergs", or a comment on map balance (the one I do myself, damn you ZvP Jungle Basin) I agree, I have a tendanacy where if i rage, i will apologize afterwards in PM chat. | ||
marx_x
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
The majority of times, there's absolutely silence for the entire game and at the end they either gg or they don't gg and leave. Some of the time I'll get something like "I suck" or "I hate ZvZ" or "wtf I can't deal with banelings" or "Blistering sux" or whatever, but it's rarely ever true rage. In fact a lot of the times we chat a bit after the game I play a ton of FFA and team games and I find that it's the gold/plat/sub 300 diamonds (I guess they exist...) that think they're the shit that rage the most (as in they message me post-game raging at me), though I guess most of the time it's "MY TEAMMATES SUCK SHIT OMG" type of rage Honestly, I see much more rage in Nexus Wars than ladder | ||
ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay460 Posts
Most of the times someone is bm at me is for example when i win quickly with a big baneling bust or something like that. They prefer to rage about it being unbalanced and that i'm a noob that can't win without doing that and fail to realize that i did exactly that for a reason instead of blindly. And that the real reason they died is because they blindly followed whatever BO (tipically a FE blocking with just supply on jungle basin for example, DUH), refused to scout to see what i was doing (banelings, because i scouted he was fast expanding and had a weak wallin). And so... paper, rock, scissor, you're dead . Once or twise i tried to reason with the raging guy and it ended nicely. Giving advice, etc. | ||
Mongery
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Smurphy
United States374 Posts
I think there is a stronger relation in how much one player BMs to how much the other player BMs. In my casual perusal of some of the BM threads where players post pictures or quotes from games when they received BM I see a lot of instances where where both players are participating or one player instigates. Thus, in my insignificant experience and terrible knowledge I determine that the relation exists between giving BM and getting BM is a stronger tie than Rank and getting BM. | ||
Logo
United States7542 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:26 Smurphy wrote: I, personally, see very little BM. I'm super-low diamond and have played ~150 games and have had maybe 10 games where my opponents have said anything negative at all. I think most of the BM I receive relates to my name. I learned semi-recently that my name almost means something in starcraft. I think there is a stronger relation in how much one player BMs to how much the other player BMs. In my casual perusal of some of the BM threads where players post pictures or quotes from games when they received BM I see a lot of instances where where both players are participating or one player instigates. Thus, in my insignificant experience and terrible knowledge I determine that the relation exists between giving BM and getting BM is a stronger tie than Rank and getting BM. Well it's not uncommon to goad a raging player, and the reactions to that are what usually make it in the BM threads. Players often won't 'explode' if you don't provoke them at all and will leave BM at 1-2 unsavory comments. I do it a lot too if the other player says something hostile; general whine I usually comment on, but in a more constructive manner. It's incredibly fun to prod at someone who calls you a "faggot newb" then does something incredibly stupid to lose. I think my best example is I got a guy to blow up at me after the game (again he called me something like a faggot noob at the start and end of the game), then he went silent for a few minutes after which he started pming me again out of nowhere. When he started talking again I just pretended to not know who he was which made him blow up even more. The best part was most of my provoking was just general constructive comments on the stupid mistakes he made, but when people are in a frenzy thats more insulting than anything else you can call them. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
On December 10 2010 13:45 windsupernova wrote: Hello, my fellow TLers. First of all let me tell you my situation, I started playing in Bronze league , right now I am probably going to be promoted to gold because I have been playing against a ton of play and gold players lately. The thing is that I have noticed a trend that I don't like too much. In bronze league, well first of all let me tell you that I didn't feel bronze league was as horrible as many people say, yeah there is cheese but most of my matches were regular games, sure our mechanics were not really good but from what I have read people seem to think that Bronze league is all about cheese and Worker rushes and stuff like that where in my case that was not the case like 8 out of 10 matches(Still, I got promoted to silver fairly quickly) 2nd, I feel like ,when I was in Bronze, the other players were nice, if I got cheesed I messaged them and we had a good laugh how epically we suck at the . Also at the beggining of the match, we talked some I always got a GG, when I said good luck they usually wished me good luck too. Now that I am playing higher level players, I don't get any of that. If I want to chat with them after the game they just get angry, accuse me of cheesing, tell me I'm horrible... etc;And within games I just don't get that niceness from people anymore at most I get a cold and impersonal gg hf and at worst I get insulted through all the match.Also the amount of Cheese I encounter seems to be increasing(still not so much). All of this has really discouraged me from playing the game anymore. People take this game super seriously. I know its a competitive game, but really, I can safely say(and this is judging from forums too) that this is absolutely the first time the StarCraft community has disappointed me. Its ridiculous how bad mannered things have gotten for me. I mean I usually get laughs from the people insulting me but when I get insulted for saying good luck at the beginning of the match I think it is too much. When I win I always get called a Noob, a OP race abuser(I play random XD) and to be honest they are sucking the fun out of the 1-2 hours I can ladder. Will all of this get better or worse when I go up the leagues? I mean, my only goal right now is getting into diamond and play casually. Also, please take note that I am talking about my personal experience, I just want to know what other players think about it. honestly, when i lost because it was a TvP, and i was lagging like hell (my PC, 1 or 2 FPS) and i lost horribly a game i was gonna win, couldnt storm him, if i did i'd win, i just press enter, punch the keyboard till i get calmer, say ggm, have a good day, " yoiu got me therw" some laughs, a friendly banter and i leave | ||
arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
All I can say in response to you, that myself, coming from #1 EU+US SF clans into SC, is the bad manners you see here, are nowhere near as bad as what you see over in FPS games. All I can say is maybe try playing CS, SF, CoD4 or something for a few weeks at a serious level, and then tell me SC2 is bad manners. ^_^ As for the having a chat and a laugh, I agree with you, people take this game too seriously. Myself I won't say anything at all ingame, but if someone messaged me after and wanted to talk about the game, I gladly would, but nobody ever does they just throw abuse at me... | ||
windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:50 aka_star wrote: a sweeping generalized statement based on a small sample of games from the OP's own experience, is he suggesting that as players get better and pull themselves out of bronze that they inevitability become BM? retract the statement sir! consider the fact that your after game chat might even well be provocative and initiate the BM response, therefore obscuring any results you have. Did you even read my post? I said it was MY personal experience. I never said that all people in higher leagues are BM, the only thing I said that I noticed that people have been worse mannered as I have moved up, then I asked if you guys felt it was a trend or I was really being unlucky. I don't trash talk, I don't appreciate you accusing me of provoking people in the aftergame chate because....? Really, I don't see a point in your accusations, why would I be rude and then(I didn't even complain, I just made an observasion and asked what people thought of it). And contrary to what you may believe I am not trying to make science out of this, so there is not really any need for me to do a statistical analysis of badmanners. | ||
eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:01 windsupernova wrote: Did you even read my post? I said it was MY personal experience. I never said that all people in higher leagues are BM, the only thing I said that I noticed that people have been worse mannered as I have moved up, then I asked if you guys felt it was a trend or I was really being unlucky. I don't trash talk, I don't appreciate you accusing me of provoking people in the aftergame chate because....? Really, I don't see a point in your accusations, why would I be rude and then(I didn't even complain, I just made an observasion and asked what people thought of it). And contrary to what you may believe I am not trying to make science out of this, so there is not really any need for me to do a statistical analysis of badmanners. Im not sure if it was mentioned yet, but one of the main factors in seeing rage/bm increase as you ascend the ladder, is due to a higher competitive nature in those players. Bronze players are statistically the worst, and for the most part probably only play casually. This leads to them having not very much competitive edge, or drive to win all of their games. As you get into higher leagues, you run into people with a much higher competitive nature, who dont want to lose no matter what. You will find this randomly throughout most higher leagues, until you get to a point where your playing against people that are not only really competitive, but also understand they cannot win every game they play, and have a much more relaxed attitude about it. Basically imo it works like this Bronze - casual / mannered / playing for fun SHITFEST OF BM PLAYERS INBETWEEN High diamond - competitive / mannered / fine with losing (for the most part) Of course there are many exceptions to the rules, such as personality traits, etc. However personally since around 1500 and up, I have yet to run into a BM player. They might be pissed at the events in the game, and not gg or whatever, but very rarely do people attack you personally. | ||
Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
I think it really depends on how you play. I try to play like Idra every game, and nobody has ever complained about it. If I get 4 gated 3 games in a row, you can bet that at least the third guy is going to hear something about it. | ||
Teras
Great Britain103 Posts
I don't really think there's any correlation between the BM and league though, angry people are going to be evenly spread. It's just random which ones you run into (I ran into mine in silver, whereas someone else might encounter a lot of BM in top tier diamond). | ||
GQz
Australia168 Posts
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Proto_Protoss
United States495 Posts
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bebe01
Korea (South)512 Posts
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