On August 19 2010 13:08 .risingdragoon wrote: more like skt fans being sour puss voting no
game 2 is recommended for high skills
and also kt fans voting yes just because flash won
high skills from flash, from fantasy some really poor decisions to move out really cost him the game
I think matching tech for tech, adaptation, and timing vults, etc. going mano a mano is GG.
There was no one thing fantasy could've done to have won that one
look at the other comments;;
fanta was up in upgrades and gas bases and yet he still decided to move out of his defensive position and thus lost his 3rd gas as well as his wraiths and tanks which let flash secure his 3rd as well as get more map control
it was an entertaining game and the builds and response from flash was interesting, its just that fantasy made some big mistakes and it was not a close game at all, thus not really a game i would recommend
that wasn't a mistake, you can't call it a mistake just cus it failed
it was a gamble and he lose it. if it succeeded people would be singing a diff tone, calling it timing and fantasy a genius or whatever.
Either way, it was complete rape by flash... not really a close game nor one that I would recommend
hardly a standard rape where one player plays like crap
completely countering every strategy your opponent throws at you like you saw it coming yesterday is very recommended
On August 19 2010 13:21 Lightwip wrote: No idea how that happened.
The first time he did ran up the ramp was crucial, because Kal had just blundered away two reavers, two shuttles, and several dragoons, and Bisu was understandably feeling ahead. But Bisu sort of under-committed/overcommitted to that attack at the third. He's either got to get his entire army up that ramp, before fighting, or he's got to only send the zealots/shuttle there to harass and feint Kal's army away, and then pressure Kal at his natural with his dragoons.
Sure he got some probes, but he lost many more dragoons, and a reaver. Poor trade. I think he also expected to end the game at that point, because he seemed to have gotten a citadel to get speedlots, instead of as a bridge to templars.
On August 19 2010 13:24 dukethegold wrote: Bisu was so damn stubborn with that push up the 3rd. He could plainly see how much reinforcement Kal had and just refused to stop pushing until he loses at least 10 goons and a reaver.
Bisu lost his mojo.
Agreed, his reavers were also below ramp in such a position they couldn't fire. After he loses half his army (while they struggle to get up the ramp I might add), he decides to shuttle them into a better position but at that point it was already too late. He lost way too many units there
Why Bisu? Your mechanics and multitasking are second to none. Why would you disappoint me by doing stupid shit like charging archons into tanks and saccing your army up ramps? Why?
Bisu: Ride up the small ramp my dragoons and crush my enemy! Dragoons: Transmit Bisu: Good. Now up the small ramp my dragoons! Dragoons: Received Bisu: Up the small ramp my dragoons! For victory shall be mine! Dragoons: Awaiting instructions. Kal: lol
On August 19 2010 13:08 .risingdragoon wrote: more like skt fans being sour puss voting no
game 2 is recommended for high skills
and also kt fans voting yes just because flash won
high skills from flash, from fantasy some really poor decisions to move out really cost him the game
I think matching tech for tech, adaptation, and timing vults, etc. going mano a mano is GG.
There was no one thing fantasy could've done to have won that one
look at the other comments;;
fanta was up in upgrades and gas bases and yet he still decided to move out of his defensive position and thus lost his 3rd gas as well as his wraiths and tanks which let flash secure his 3rd as well as get more map control
it was an entertaining game and the builds and response from flash was interesting, its just that fantasy made some big mistakes and it was not a close game at all, thus not really a game i would recommend
that wasn't a mistake, you can't call it a mistake just cus it failed
it was a gamble and he lose it. if it succeeded people would be singing a diff tone, calling it timing and fantasy a genius or whatever.
Either way, it was complete rape by flash... not really a close game nor one that I would recommend
hardly a standard rape where one player is helpless and/or plays like crap
completely countering every strategy your opponent throws at you like you foresaw it coming yesterday on is very recommended
Suppose Flash and fantasy switch places... Would you still recommend? Fo realz? Suppose you were watching MVP vs Bogus instead. Still?
Rapes shouldn't be recommended, ever, unless it's a complete underdog story, like Yellow vs Bisu, or is so awfully hilarious, like Hyun vs Shuttle. Else, they are just bad games usually.
Such a difference in bisu's play in the Ro8 between this year and last year's WCG Korea. Last year bisu played some of the best PvTs I can remember vs flash and was completely dominant PvP. The BW scene has changed so rapidly in the last year. I'm glad Flash and Jaedong have been so constant, the game would be pretty badly hurt if they fell into mediocrity.
On August 19 2010 13:23 ilj.psa wrote: bisu gamesense is gone
It's his decision making which costs him most of his games lately ...
his harass while macro trademark is also hardly seen these days ...
Kal at least attempted to harass twice that game ... one failed miserably but hey he tried ... Bisu was playing too safe ... you would have thought after he had killed two shuttles, bisu could have tried to push with his army, while harass with 1 reaver at the same time ... that way I seriously believe Kal would have had to GG ... but no, he decided to be a gentleman and let Kal recover from his significant loss to come back and win the game ...
Then he decided to filter his army to hell by walking up that ramp one by one ... seeing those goons marching up in line just to get mascaraed by Kal's fire power brought tears to my eyes ... why not the natural expo instead ... the open space is bigger, and he could have at least kill a significant amount of Kal's troops while extending his lead by the faster 4th ... he traded like 30~40 supplies for 3 or 4 goon kills ;/
On August 19 2010 13:29 integral wrote: Such a difference in bisu's play in the Ro8 between this year and last year's WCG Korea. Last year bisu played some of the best PvTs I can remember vs flash and was completely dominant PvP. The BW scene has changed so rapidly in the last year. I'm glad Flash and Jaedong have been so constant, the game would be pretty badly hurt if they fell into mediocrity.
Exactly. I'd easily rather have Kal in a PvT or PvP, and I wouldn't be too disappointed with him in a PvZ. He's been the best protoss of the last year, although free's been playing well recently, and Stork is always dangerous, but always manages to lose anyway. Bisu's back, but he's a little shaky.
On August 19 2010 13:23 ilj.psa wrote: bisu gamesense is gone
It's his decision making which costs him most of his games lately ...
his harass while macro trademark is also hardly seen these days ...
Kal at least attempted to harass twice that game ... one failed miserably but hey he tried ... Bisu was playing too safe ... you would have thought after he had killed two shuttles, bisu could have tried to push with his army, while harass with 1 reaver at the same time ... that way I seriously believe Kal would have had to GG ... but no, he decided to be a gentleman and let Kal recover from his significant loss to come back and win the game ...
Then he decided to filter his army to hell by walking up that ramp one by one ... seeing those goons marching up in line just to get mascaraed by Kal's fire power brought tears to my eyes ... why not the natural expo instead ... the open space is bigger, and he could have at least kill a significant amount of Kal's troops while extending his lead by the faster 4th ... he traded like 30~40 supplies for 3 or 4 goon kills ;/
You can't break the natural expo on FS if the toss's army is close in supply to yours and in position. And you certainly can't harass at the same time. He was correct in attacking six, but wrong in his execution.
On August 19 2010 13:08 .risingdragoon wrote: more like skt fans being sour puss voting no
game 2 is recommended for high skills
and also kt fans voting yes just because flash won
high skills from flash, from fantasy some really poor decisions to move out really cost him the game
I think matching tech for tech, adaptation, and timing vults, etc. going mano a mano is GG.
There was no one thing fantasy could've done to have won that one
look at the other comments;;
fanta was up in upgrades and gas bases and yet he still decided to move out of his defensive position and thus lost his 3rd gas as well as his wraiths and tanks which let flash secure his 3rd as well as get more map control
it was an entertaining game and the builds and response from flash was interesting, its just that fantasy made some big mistakes and it was not a close game at all, thus not really a game i would recommend
that wasn't a mistake, you can't call it a mistake just cus it failed
it was a gamble and he lose it. if it succeeded people would be singing a diff tone, calling it timing and fantasy a genius or whatever.
Either way, it was complete rape by flash... not really a close game nor one that I would recommend
hardly a standard rape where one player is helpless and/or plays like crap
completely countering every strategy your opponent throws at you like you foresaw it coming yesterday on is very recommended
Suppose Flash and fantasy switch places... Would you still recommend? Fo realz? Suppose you were watching MVP vs Bogus instead. Still?
Rapes shouldn't be recommended, ever, unless it's a complete underdog story, like Yellow vs Bisu, or is so awfully hilarious, like Hyun vs Shuttle. Else, they are just bad games usually.
a legit air power battle going on through out the game b/w two named pros, 2 of the best terrans at that, fuck yeah I would
yellow vs bisu is a strategy win, I don't recommend that unless you're a fan