EPTOn July 02 2010 03:09 FraCuS wrote:
I never got my shot.
I'm healthy as a Bull
I never got my shot.
I'm healthy as a Bull
Straight up, that's how its done.
Was hanging out with people who had flu-like symptoms too.
+250$mil worth of swine flu vaccine wasted - Page 4
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
Straight up, that's how its done. Was hanging out with people who had flu-like symptoms too. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:49 travis wrote: uh, just so it's clear - that money comes from tax payers. it's not like the companies that makes the drugs put up the money... it's everyone. and it's already been shown that it wasn't necessary. do you just skip over posts that might invalidate your opinions? How does your statement contradict anything he said? Of course the government budget comes from the tax payers. However, taxes are paid anyway and then the government can decide how to allocate its budget. Yes, the vaccines were not really neccessary and the swine flu itself wasn't nearly as dangerous as it was said to be. However, let's not forget that an incredibly large portion of Western people were very afraid of the illness anyhow. The public driven by its fear and ignorance demanded the vaccines. If you want to blame anyone blame the misleading media and the ignorance of the masses. So basically people were demanding that the government acts quickly and effectivelly to ensure the health of everyone, so huge amounts of vaccines were ordered. Then the people were to lazy to go to a doctor and get a vaccine, so the leftovers are now thrown away and the people complain about the government that did exactly what it was demanded to do. Most people are so stupid... just blindly accepting everything they are told. Do you think people out there don't take advantage of the public to make millions/billions of dollars? this question goes to all of you. As true as this statement might be, it is just about as irrelevant to this case. As already mentioned the people demanded the vaccines and the government had to buy them. You cannot even blame them for not negotiating a lower price, because then everybody would have been complaining that the government is putting a price tag on people's lifes. | ||
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RisingTide
Australia769 Posts
The flu ends up being an almost non-event, and OMG THE GOVERNMENT WASTED ALL OUR MONIEZ!!! If the flu had been an event and the government wasn't prepared, then OMG WHY DIDNT THE GOVERNMENT SPEND OUR MONIEZ ON VACCINES?! It's SOOOO easy to use hindsight to condemn things. Swine flu may not have been that deadly but it was fairly contagious, and it takes one mutation to kill a lot of people. Not getting the vaccines would've been like playing Russian Roulette, albeit with maybe one bullet in a hundred real, but if it was that one, we would've been fucked. Edit for accuracy. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:20 RisingTide wrote: Seriously, some people. The flu ends up being an almost non-event, and OMG THE GOVERNMENT WASTED ALL OUR MONIEZ!!! If the flu had been an event and the government wasn't prepared, then OMG WHY DIDNT THE GOVERNMENT SPEND OUR MONIEZ ON VACCINES?! It's SOOOO easy to use hindsight to condemn things. Swine flu may not have been that deadly but it was contagious as fuck, and it takes one mutation to kill a lot of people. Not getting the vaccines would've been like playing Russian Roulette, albeit with maybe one bullet in a hundred real, but if it was that one, we would've been fucked. That's the problem tho, you're right on almost everything but most people will dismiss everything you say based on the fact that you said it's "contagious as fuck". It wasn't THAT contagious. The thing is, it takes one mutation to get contagious as fuck. That's why it's dangerous - and people don't understand. Biology isn't everyone's cup of tea, but in this thread they're all experts. Especially the "truthers". They got their PhD overnight. "IT'S FAIRLY HARMLESS NOW AND THEREFORE WE SHOULD DO NOTHING" | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Just imagine if no government had done anything, and this newly emerged strain of flu mutated into something much worse. Then there would be a massive outcry so basically the truth of the matter is governments can't really go either way without their decision being deemed as stupid and wasteful by a large chunk of the population. And just because it didn't play out a certain way gives these people no right in saying "hey what did I tell you?" because it doesn't mean shit. | ||
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:26 hifriend wrote: Nothing pisses me off like idiots who dismiss the opinion of professional virologists, microbiologists etc as false and would rather turn to useless tinfoil hat blogs raving about various unprovable conspiracy theories for advice. This particular strain was very recently emerged, due to bad information there were indications that it was fairly fatal and contagious. Even if it wasn't, most actual scientists who btw are the only people with even the faintest chance at understanding and predicting the scenario agreed that the risk of mutation was big enough that governments needed to take measures. Just imagine if no government had done anything, and this newly emerged strain of flu mutated into something much worse. Then there would be a massive outcry so basically the truth of the matter is governments can't really go either way without their decision being deemed as stupid and wasteful by a large chunk of the population. And just because it didn't play out a certain way gives these people no right in saying "hey what did I tell you?" because it doesn't mean shit. I think they did their part in creating a viable cure for the people that needed it. The overproduction of the antivirus was a little over-ambitious, but understandable. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On July 02 2010 07:19 ggrrg wrote: How does your statement contradict anything he said? Of course the government budget comes from the tax payers. However, taxes are paid anyway and then the government can decide how to allocate its budget. Yes, the vaccines were not really neccessary and the swine flu itself wasn't nearly as dangerous as it was said to be. However, let's not forget that an incredibly large portion of Western people were very afraid of the illness anyhow. The public driven by its fear and ignorance demanded the vaccines. If you want to blame anyone blame the misleading media and the ignorance of the masses. you make a good point, you are correct anyways my statement doesn't so much contradict what he says as correct an apparent misconception in it. he says "he would be proud that his country is willing to pay so much to protect people's lives". but that doesn't mean anything, there is nothing to be proud of. it's just money that's leached away from individual tax payers but they are too stupid to realize how this money is leached from them and given to big business over and over and over. It's not like the masses actually consented to anything, it was never their decision. I could make a list of literally hundreds of examples where the tax payers are being ripped off.. and guess where that money is going. u know how much i have to pay to renew my license? $40. you know how much it used to be, not too long ago? $4. That's a 1000% increase. How fair is that to people in poverty. abso-fuckin-lutely ridiculous. how could the paperwork cost anywhere near that, it's insane. i just get so tired of the mass sheep being repeatedly ripped off, being deceived, and none of them caring because they are so stupid and complacent. the world is going to shit around them and none of them care because they just repeat whatever they are told by the tv or by their parents/peers who are equally stupid and just repeat what they are told by the t.v. and their peers. as for "experts" making policy regarding our health, the head of the FDA is appointed by politicians, not experts. the head of the CDC is appointed by politicians, not experts. these groups are political and like all other government bodies, integrity is far from their primary concern. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Never got my shot, never had the flu. Power to me but also i realised the abysmal amount of danger that made parents invest in having their child take a shot for their system to have defence against it. xD dont get why that had so much odd stuff inside with massive amounts of side effects though, i thought vaccines where small amounts of dead virus cells to put your immune system on high alert as it absorbed the knowledge of swine flu while killing already dead virus cells | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
 .wanna hear something funny: my friend told me, back when the vaccine was out and swine flu was still a big deal, he ran across a website that had a conspiracy theory about the vaccines. the theory stated that the vaccine was actually distributed by the government for they predicted the world would be over-populated and we would run out of resources blah blah blah. the vaccines were given so that in 20 years or something the "side effects" would kill off a supposed large amount of the population thus to control it. oh and the swine flu was created by the government for blah blah blah. hows that for your cup of tea lol | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
In that event, it would be fantastic that many many vaccines were made. It is the job of the government to plan for the 10% or so chance that everything goes to shit. We got lucky. Hooray. | ||
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Jenbu
United States115 Posts
On a side note, the media overblew the demand for the vaccine, everyone knew that the swine flu wasn't any worse than the seasonal flu. I didn't get this vaccine and I've never gotten a vaccine for the seasonal flu, ever, and ive never gotten the flu. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:32 EmeraldSparks wrote: There was a chance that the flu would turn out to be a virulent KILLEMALL 1918 redux strain. In that event, it would be fantastic that many many vaccines were made. It is the job of the government to plan for the 10% or so chance that everything goes to shit. We got lucky. Hooray. Actually swine flu existed in the 50's and 60's and was eliminated back then (purely because different flu strains took over), we didn't get lucky at all, the flu itself was never as bad as the government (actually more specifically the media) made it out to be. Sure it's worse than a regular flu, and some people can die from it - IF THEY HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION - meaning that if you are a healthy person swine flu will affect you the same as any other flu. People saying there's a 'small chance the virus could mutate and become deadly' don't seem to realize that there's a small chance that could happen with one of the other hundreds of flu viruses out there. Furthermore the regular flu season that comes around every year we see all these advertisements saying 'get the flu vaccine, stop the spread of the virus' but the thing they don't tell you (and most people don't realize) is that those vaccines only cover a handful of countless different flu viruses out there. Swine flu is one such virus that is NOT covered by the normal vaccine (but probably will be henceforth) - in this case an old virus came back and the government / pharm companies weren't ready for it - they panicked. Quite simply it is not nearly as dangerous a virus as people made it out to be, and every single flu season that goes by there's a chance an old/new/unexpected virus can pop up that the current vaccine doesn't cover and again we'll hear 1000s of news reports saying how the virus is 'the worst epidemic possible'. Few people died from swine flu, and all that did die were in a select target group (that as a matter of fact is the same target group that dies seasonally in the thousands from REGULAR FLU VIRUSES). The media likes to sensationalize everything and since there was nothing good to report on when swine flu happened, guess what they reported on. The 'epidemic' was greatly over-stated. Finally, if they REALLY wanted to stop the virus properly, you know what they would have done? The day Mexico announced the virus had appeared everyone who had been in or out of Mexico for the past two months would be called up, tested, and if they carry the virus vaccinated/quarantined as necessary. They didn't. And that means 1. the virus wasn't as serious as the media made it seem and 2. the government wasn't THAT concerned about the virus spreading. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On July 02 2010 06:55 Holcan wrote: you got it wrong, since American Politicians and Pharmaceutical companies are in close ties, decisions like this usually make the American people pay, while the Politicians get more money from private business. Uhh. Im pretty sure the company that made the vaccine was australian and if you could be bothered looking at the stock it did not grow a ridiculous amount over the time of the virus. Infact it was overvalued and went down for a while. I know cos a friend bought the stock and was stuck there for a while. The company wasnt even breaking even before they found the vaccine. I dont know if pharmas had that much hype in usa but i def think you are overeacting to this one case, the bs medical hype like replacing flu and cold medicine with shit that doesnt work is pharma marketing. hey! Cant make ice with it but it doesnt work when i have the flu! | ||
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
1. fabricate or overhype something 2. sell products like crazy ---- hey it's the healthcare industry and we want the entire world safe right? sell me an automatic rifle please for the war i'll never fight in my backyard. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:33 Jenbu wrote: government fucked up again... nothing new to see here. On a side note, the media overblew the demand for the vaccine, everyone knew that the swine flu wasn't any worse than the seasonal flu. I didn't get this vaccine and I've never gotten a vaccine for the seasonal flu, ever, and ive never gotten the flu. Sorry for the double post (maybe someone else already posted after my previous one in which case never mind) - I think one of the reasons that new and/or old viruses seem to popping up more frequently is the heavy use of medication and vaccines in all aspects of daily life. Don't misunderstand me here - vaccines are a good thing in most cases (and by this I mean cases where the disease/virus in question is immediately life threatening for healthy people). The flu and the cold are not such viruses, but all the time people take themselves and their young children to the doctor for even the mildest cases of both of these. Giving your immune system a crutch every single time you get sick ends up resulting in one having a poor immune system. Immune systems work by trial and error, if you don't get sick (or don't let you immune system eliminate illnesses on its own) it will never improve and it will get to the point where the person in question is frequently sick. When someone is seriously ill they should certainly go to the doctor, I fear that more and more frequently though people are incapable of determining what 'seriously ill' is. I was sick about as often as any child was when I was younger but my parents didn't rush me off the doctor or hospital every time I had a sniffle or a cough. Nowadays I very rarely get sick, and when I do get a cold or flu, it lasts 3-5 days tops. I can almost guarantee if my parents had been overly anxious when I got sick as a child, this probably wouldn't be the case now. Edited for grammar. | ||
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theron[wdt]
United States395 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:55 theron[wdt] wrote: fear sells. 'nuff said this is it. but lots of people did not get the swine flu vaccine... >< wasn't enough of a scare really. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:20 travis wrote: you make a good point, you are correct anyways my statement doesn't so much contradict what he says as correct an apparent misconception in it. he says "he would be proud that his country is willing to pay so much to protect people's lives". but that doesn't mean anything, there is nothing to be proud of. it's just money that's leached away from individual tax payers but they are too stupid to realize how this money is leached from them and given to big business over and over and over. It's not like the masses actually consented to anything, it was never their decision. I could make a list of literally hundreds of examples where the tax payers are being ripped off.. and guess where that money is going. u know how much i have to pay to renew my license? $40. you know how much it used to be, not too long ago? $4. That's a 1000% increase. How fair is that to people in poverty. abso-fuckin-lutely ridiculous. how could the paperwork cost anywhere near that, it's insane. i just get so tired of the mass sheep being repeatedly ripped off, being deceived, and none of them caring because they are so stupid and complacent. the world is going to shit around them and none of them care because they just repeat whatever they are told by the tv or by their parents/peers who are equally stupid and just repeat what they are told by the t.v. and their peers. as for "experts" making policy regarding our health, the head of the FDA is appointed by politicians, not experts. the head of the CDC is appointed by politicians, not experts. these groups are political and like all other government bodies, integrity is far from their primary concern. I agree with pretty much everything you said. If you know the right political figures, be it on village level or federal level, you have a very good chance of selling your service. Then it doesn't matter if you offer the best or the cheapest service or if your service is needed at all. In every country tax money is being spent on unneccessary/overly expenisive stuff on regular basis. However, I still think that the swine flu vaccines are not a good example of money being leached from tax payers simply because a lot of people demanded the vaccines. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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