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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 19 2010 00:29 Caller wrote: and i can GUARANTEE that they were randomly generated just ask BC how well i randomly generate roles Trust me, he RNG's. No one deserves to be punished by being hand picked the VI role. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 18 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote: I find L and BC's play currently to be aligned with their "blue" play. BC is a "i'll take over while I'm alive" sort of player when he's blue (with a power role). L is more of the laid back style as detective as can be seen from micro mafia 2. Both of them are in tune with this. BC has criticized the town already, denounced the current "leader" (clearly wanting it himself as he did as the detective-mayor), and is trying to sway the spotlight in his direction through having a few drawn out amazing posts in an a la ver mode. His play makes him an obvious number one target on who could potentially be the Faction Leader we need to eliminate. He is also fishing for information in his post directed towards Radfield. BC says: I'll tell you why. Because he is the yellow turban leader, and is fishing to see if Radfield is potentially on his side without him dying (yellow turbans obviously can't recruit leaders). Radfield gives him the advantage in two ways: 1) he is currently swaying the army voting and has power 2) he is a smart, good, solid player who would be a practical addition to BloodyC0bbler's turbans. L has been quiet, and really not posting as much (wanting to stay out of the fray) until I mentioned his name at all. I am surprised people are not donating their armies to a veteran, and are donating to a "new" player "who has played well in the past" in Radfield, who is my 3rd suspect in reasons I will be giving after this is finished on L. L may just be busy living it up (as it's a great time of year), and we can hold him accountable if he doesn't "come out of his blue shell". I would suggest him as a secondary target for "who is a faction leader we need to kill" He is likely Cao Cao in my opinion. Radfield is a little harder to pin, and my reasoning is because of the past success of "good, new players" in getting roles. I gave Korynne a spot in the mafia in my LAMM, and citi.zen has been elected to become mafia in a few games since his success. Hell, flamewheel even let me have a shot. What I'm getting at is Radfield could potentially be Sun Quan or Liu Bei (though I kind of doubt it). Trust me on this one, BloodyC0bbler would be a good lynch for us in terms of balancing the game and lowering the skill ceiling for us relatively noob players. He is most definitely a power role, and is the player I would deem "most likely to be leading the yellow turbans" based NOT ONLY upon his being a good player who is favored but ALSO upon his posting fishing for information out of Radfield. Whoever is elected, I implore you to consider lynching BC. Big ass post from BM, thats actually not trolling O M G. There are a few simple problems with your theory. I aim to be a voice of reason almost every game I actively play in regardless of my role. Regardless, I will humour your post. Radfields general post (Yes he just explained it in a previous post) screamed out potential leader. Then again, its the form of accusation that you need to make at the moment. With this game being the setup that it is, giving someone a day vig power with a semi joke post is retarded. As for my fishing for info? I do that every game, just like your doing it now. By your own system that would make you a likely suspect to be the yellow turban leader or any of the other three. L sitting back with next to no posting atm is normal, as hey the game has barely started and there is almost no real content being generated, ie nothing to really talk about other than how dumb the town is. As for killing me, it wouldn't lower much of a skill ceiling unless you killed the people who are considered to be in the same area I am assumed to have. IE L, by all rights radfield would be close by based on performance, if you just look at the quality of play this game, yourself bill. You just essentially asked to kill all the relatively intelligent posters in starting with me which seems like a very retarded play. However, the chances of myself/radfield/L all being faction leaders are pretty low when Caller RNG's. I will give you marks for good insight though. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On May 19 2010 01:24 Radfield wrote: The great thing is there's no way to mess up the lynch/DayVig today. We don't need a majority, we can't hit a townie, the worst we can do is.... there is no worst. Thats a good point I was thinking along the lines of, "currently the only people we ought to be trying to lynch are the yellows" but there is no reason whatsoever why we should, so scrap entirely my "mayb suspect lynching might be viable" as it's vacuous. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 18 2010 22:01 L wrote: Being Cao Cao woulda been pretty sweet, but I never get roles I ask for. Not even Manuel L. Hackson In fact I yelled at caller for not giving me Cao Cao, but he told me all the roles were done by RNG exclusively (and as a side note I owe Ace a punches for that). Because of that, I don't think your case against BC is as strong as you've made it out to be. I still think abenson is a better kill because frankly stupidity like his should be metagamed against. He's basically afk trolling deadweight every game. In terms of the behavioral analysis, all of the pins you put on BC can be put on abenson as well, but abenson doesn't act differently when he's mafia or town. If he's part of the turbans, there's pretty much nothing that'll give him away later on, and he'll always be a "oh, we'll kill him tomorrow" candidate. That said, under abenson I'd put BC until he makes a reply post. Apart from those two, Jugan, Scamp and Tricode seem to be worthy people to pressure or kill on day 1. Maybe more pressure when it comes to scamp, but the other two are just as deadweight. Abenson/Scamp would be the first two on my list based on metagaming. Both tend to be mostly useless to the town as they don't contribute, or afk their way to whatever their side's overall achievement is. Jugan will hopefully infuriate caller as he did to flamewheel and get himself modkilled, and Tricode will say something stupid to get himself offed. I would toss Iaaan onto the list as he is pretty much as useless as the others. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 19 2010 02:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Abenson/Scamp would be the first two on my list based on metagaming. Both tend to be mostly useless to the town as they don't contribute, or afk their way to whatever their side's overall achievement is. Jugan will hopefully infuriate caller as he did to flamewheel and get himself modkilled, and Tricode will say something stupid to get himself offed. I would toss Iaaan onto the list as he is pretty much as useless as the others. Scamp is pro! Lol. Anyway, I agree that radfield made the leader call....But I think my votes gonna stay on BM. I think it would be funny because every game he does something completely insane because of his crazy roles... Lol Not to mention I am pro....Anyway, who should we be killing today...I'm for Trezequet23, because I don't recall seeing his name before...And it's a long name to type... Wonderful reasoning I know, but only one faction can win. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
This is just from the community perspective, I think it would suck for someone to go oh sweet this mafia game sounds cool let's try it out, bam, dead the first night due to him being chosen as the arbitrary random first lynch. I just don't think it would be nice. xD Disclaimer: I am not playing this game, and I have no information outside of what is on this thread (i.e. I did not ask Caller for any additional clarifications on rules, or roles, etc.). | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Despite, this is indeed first time Trez has joined to play mafia. If he is eager like me he should have at least posted once in this thread by now- so why is he lurking? Because he wants to avoid town's attention, that is why. I specifically mentioned Trez as example, but my FoS points to all of the lurkers and semi-lurkers out there. Let me proclaim that you cannot hide. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On May 18 2010 17:00 BrownBear wrote: Probably late with my reply, but yeah, I understand that there are four factions, but considering that factions aren't concrete, and I don't even know which faction I'll end up being recruited to, I figured I'd quickly jump on the first bandwagon that caught my interest. Radfield seems like a decent player, so that's enough for me.Uhh... did you not read his post? He's specifically stating that he's glad he DOESN'T have to worry about people yelling "MAFIA" because there are no mafia in this game, and he knows there are 4 factions. Perhaps you should read peoples' posts before you flame them. I'm probably looking at this the wrong way, but I'm not worried about trying to kill off any players right now. I am trying to figure out who the leaders might be though, but I figure I could do that easily enough myself, I don't really feel like there's much point in trying to hunt down anyone this early in the game since I don't even know what team I'm on yet =/ | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
In terms of aims in this game currently we are switzerland, with no logical motivation towards lynching either the leaders of Blue, Green, Red or members of Yellow. Provide one single coherent argument as to why it is in the interests of a currently alignment-less player to try to lynch any of the leaders and or yellows. Go on I dare you! (You arguments already given do not provide such an argument under the perspective of an unaligned player) | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 19 2010 02:43 Hesmyrr wrote: I disagree with Xelin's opinion. Yellow Turban is highly dangerous, and its leader should be found and killed at every given opportunity. Let me illustrate why; Yellow Turban can recruit one player every night- and at every day we can only lynch one player! That means even at worst scenario Yellow Turbans will break even. In case of other three factions, its players can be recruited which prevent them from above scenario. But when Yellow Turban recruits someone, it's for keeps. Which mean Yellow Turban is like a cancer to us, we can possibly stop its growth but we cannot destroy or diminish it's power without using exceptional means. I feel that Yellow Turban leaders understand this and is trying very hard to avoid catching town's attention, which is why I highly agree with lurker lynches. Despite, this is indeed first time Trez has joined to play mafia. If he is eager like me he should have at least posted once in this thread by now- so why is he lurking? Because he wants to avoid town's attention, that is why. I specifically mentioned Trez as example, but my FoS points to all of the lurkers and semi-lurkers out there. Let me proclaim that you cannot hide. The problem is...We have no allegiance right now buddy. We have no win condition. Our job is to inducted into a group, and then have that group win. =/ SO, I don't care whom I end up with. I don't want yellow, because it pretty much begets me death. I would like to go on record and state that I don't want yellow turbans to recruit me as of this time...because you could wrong pick later and get me killed. That is all. Eh...Actually...Yellow, recruit 4 people, then leave it at that. Sit and wait. Be all sexy and what not. Make it to the final. =D Lol... | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
I been reading the rules and no where does it state that Yellow turbans can do anything other then recruit. So is it the yellow turbans goals to influence our votes to vote anyone, but them? Just something to consider when looking at the yellow turbans. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them? Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces? | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:15 Tricode wrote: Curious question. I been reading the rules and no where does it state that Yellow turbans can do anything other then recruit. So is it the yellow turbans goals to influence our votes to vote anyone, but them? Just something to consider when looking at the yellow turbans. What are you talking about? The CAN recruit. They just can't recruit a faction leader, as the whole group instantly dies if so. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote: So do the players ever know which leader recruited them? Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them? Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces? Well, he will know the faction he is in. But Caller said the recruited member will not know any of his comrades. Ask Caller. Exactly, this is basically a cult game. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:19 Fishball wrote: What are you talking about? The CAN recruit. They just can't recruit a faction leader, as the whole group instantly dies if so. Nevermind, I think I mis-read your post. Eating lunch. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:20 Hesmyrr wrote: Well, he will know the faction he is in. But Caller said the recruited member will not know any of his comrades. Ask Caller. Exactly, this is basically a cult game. Well, I posted here just so Caller can answer all these questions up front. The answers will change a lot of things, and I have plenty of follow up questions to ask depending on the answers. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote: Well, I posted here just so Caller can answer all these questions up front. The answers will change a lot of things, and I have plenty of follow up questions to ask depending on the answers. Yeah, those questions you're asking are important IMO Fishball. A lot of what happens depends on the rules of this game. Basically we're technically all each others enemies in a sense until we are put into factions then everyone else that's not in your faction is an enemy from what I'm understanding so far. @Everyone: I would say we should vote someone who will VG someone that isn't really active. Because either case that inactive person will most likely be useless to you and you probably don't want them by chance to be in the faction you'll probably get recruited to. That way everyone kinda wins since we're all (except the faction leaders) have no alliances right now. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On May 19 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote: Well, I posted here just so Caller can answer all these questions up front. The answers will change a lot of things, and I have plenty of follow up questions to ask depending on the answers. you should really pm Caller directly then, to catch his attention. I was pretty much confused because of that lol | ||
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