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These units are blessings in disgues, for a cheap price you can float a unit of your choice that may be just raping your army, heck you can float as many as you have phoenix's. I went stalker phoenix vs mass mdurdur and raped, grav field, focus fire, grav field, focus fire. They went down so fast, of course I had a few zealos to soak so my stalkers could get in range with getting instagibbed, but thats beside the point.
Theyre GREAT vs Hydra zerg, or even if someone thinks theyre cut and are walling off in a 2v2 SCHWOOP, big whole in your defense there pal. This thread was mainly just to point out to anyone who considers phoenix's a terrible addition to the protoss fleet a wake-up-slap-in-the-e-groin. These are GOOD, not freaking zomg amazing, but theyre useful if you just utilize them properly!
Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle tanks with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on.
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I am guessing that most people think they are bad because they try to use them the same way they used corsairs.
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On February 21 2010 02:40 petered wrote: I am guessing that most people think they are bad because they try to use them the same way they used corsairs.
Exactly
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On February 21 2010 02:47 ReiKo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 02:40 petered wrote: I am guessing that most people think they are bad because they try to use them the same way they used corsairs. Exactly
they work like sairs, too its double just they arent as durable as sairs.
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On February 21 2010 02:33 Monokeros wrote: Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle thors with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on. Except you can't because Thor is a massive unit.
Doesn't work on massive units; Colossus, Thor and Ultralisk
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I use them to scout like sairs, work fine for me.
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On February 21 2010 02:33 Monokeros wrote: These units are blessings in disgues, for a cheap price you can float a unit of your choice that may be just raping your army, heck you can float as many as you have phoenix's. I went stalker phoenix vs mass mdurdur and raped, grav field, focus fire, grav field, focus fire. They went down so fast, of course I had a few zealos to soak so my stalkers could get in range with getting instagibbed, but thats beside the point.
Theyre GREAT vs Hydra zerg, or even if someone thinks theyre cut and are walling off in a 2v2 SCHWOOP, big whole in your defense there pal. This thread was mainly just to point out to anyone who considers phoenix's a terrible addition to the protoss fleet a wake-up-slap-in-the-e-groin. These are GOOD, not freaking zomg amazing, but theyre useful if you just utilize them properly!
Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle thors with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on. replay plz ?
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On February 21 2010 03:20 KhAlleB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 02:33 Monokeros wrote: These units are blessings in disgues, for a cheap price you can float a unit of your choice that may be just raping your army, heck you can float as many as you have phoenix's. I went stalker phoenix vs mass mdurdur and raped, grav field, focus fire, grav field, focus fire. They went down so fast, of course I had a few zealos to soak so my stalkers could get in range with getting instagibbed, but thats beside the point.
Theyre GREAT vs Hydra zerg, or even if someone thinks theyre cut and are walling off in a 2v2 SCHWOOP, big whole in your defense there pal. This thread was mainly just to point out to anyone who considers phoenix's a terrible addition to the protoss fleet a wake-up-slap-in-the-e-groin. These are GOOD, not freaking zomg amazing, but theyre useful if you just utilize them properly!
Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle thors with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on. replay plz ?
This.
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On February 21 2010 03:38 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 03:20 KhAlleB wrote:On February 21 2010 02:33 Monokeros wrote: These units are blessings in disgues, for a cheap price you can float a unit of your choice that may be just raping your army, heck you can float as many as you have phoenix's. I went stalker phoenix vs mass mdurdur and raped, grav field, focus fire, grav field, focus fire. They went down so fast, of course I had a few zealos to soak so my stalkers could get in range with getting instagibbed, but thats beside the point.
Theyre GREAT vs Hydra zerg, or even if someone thinks theyre cut and are walling off in a 2v2 SCHWOOP, big whole in your defense there pal. This thread was mainly just to point out to anyone who considers phoenix's a terrible addition to the protoss fleet a wake-up-slap-in-the-e-groin. These are GOOD, not freaking zomg amazing, but theyre useful if you just utilize them properly!
Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle thors with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on. replay plz ? This.
calm down people, it still works on tanks.
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On February 21 2010 03:39 Monokeros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 03:38 3FFA wrote:On February 21 2010 03:20 KhAlleB wrote:On February 21 2010 02:33 Monokeros wrote: These units are blessings in disgues, for a cheap price you can float a unit of your choice that may be just raping your army, heck you can float as many as you have phoenix's. I went stalker phoenix vs mass mdurdur and raped, grav field, focus fire, grav field, focus fire. They went down so fast, of course I had a few zealos to soak so my stalkers could get in range with getting instagibbed, but thats beside the point.
Theyre GREAT vs Hydra zerg, or even if someone thinks theyre cut and are walling off in a 2v2 SCHWOOP, big whole in your defense there pal. This thread was mainly just to point out to anyone who considers phoenix's a terrible addition to the protoss fleet a wake-up-slap-in-the-e-groin. These are GOOD, not freaking zomg amazing, but theyre useful if you just utilize them properly!
Some of the funniest shit you can do, like juggle thors with 4/5 phoenix's until its dead one picks it up others shoot, next one picks it up and so on. replay plz ? This. calm down people, it still works on tanks.
I'd still generally love to see some replays though
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It's pretty much the same as sair, imo. The only difference is that dweb is only a single-target, non-massive target complete disable.
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druids of the talon, I guess Moon will crush with these if he decides to play protoss -_-
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I've seen at least two live streams where Queens have been owned by Antigravity. Once by around 6 Phoenix, and once with 2 Phoenix and a Void Ray or two.
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On February 21 2010 02:48 Monokeros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 02:47 ReiKo wrote:On February 21 2010 02:40 petered wrote: I am guessing that most people think they are bad because they try to use them the same way they used corsairs. Exactly they work like sairs, too its double just they arent as durable as sairs. Wut? They have exactly the same health as sairs, deal extra damage against light instead of heavy like sairs, got no splash but deal a lot more damage and can harass ground targets but are worse disablers during actual fights.
They are very different from sairs.
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I feel being able to attack ground is quite a big difference.
Would love to see someone using it to scout against terran as well. If the guy went mass marauders or only has 1 or 2 rines, i guess it can pick them or just randomly annoy scv lines, then retreat when under fire. Considering the shields recharge faster i dont see any problem, a free kill while scouting is never bad.
Ninja Edit: Wait they can still attack ground right? D:
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On February 21 2010 08:36 Salteador Neo wrote: I feel being able to attack ground is quite a big difference.
Would love to see someone using it to scout against terran as well. If the guy went mass marauders or only has 1 or 2 rines, i guess it can pick them or just randomly annoy scv lines, then retreat when under fire. Considering the shields recharge faster i dont see any problem, a free kill while scouting is never bad.
Ninja Edit: Wait they can still attack ground right? D: No. they can't attack ground.
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Meh. I wonder how they will be utilized late game PvZ
And I also wonder how they match up against vikings
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On February 21 2010 08:47 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 08:36 Salteador Neo wrote: I feel being able to attack ground is quite a big difference.
Would love to see someone using it to scout against terran as well. If the guy went mass marauders or only has 1 or 2 rines, i guess it can pick them or just randomly annoy scv lines, then retreat when under fire. Considering the shields recharge faster i dont see any problem, a free kill while scouting is never bad.
Ninja Edit: Wait they can still attack ground right? D: No. they can't attack ground.
So then they really are crap. Makes sense with the new ability and all... but still crap.
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On February 21 2010 16:59 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 08:47 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 21 2010 08:36 Salteador Neo wrote: I feel being able to attack ground is quite a big difference.
Would love to see someone using it to scout against terran as well. If the guy went mass marauders or only has 1 or 2 rines, i guess it can pick them or just randomly annoy scv lines, then retreat when under fire. Considering the shields recharge faster i dont see any problem, a free kill while scouting is never bad.
Ninja Edit: Wait they can still attack ground right? D: No. they can't attack ground. So then they really are crap. Makes sense with the new ability and all... but still crap. Well, I'll hold off on any definitive conclusions 'til I hear/see more from people who have beta. Or if/when I play it myself.
But quite frankly I have to kinda agree with Salteador. The loss of aoe damage is really going to damage protoss aa. muta flocks can reach too large of numbers such that phoenix can't really keep them in check; seeing how mutas can be produced en mass much easier than one can raise up a fleet of phoenix that will effectively counter a muta flock.
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there's isn't any sort of muta micro like in sc1 as of yet. Phoenixes are a pretty effective counter against mutas since they have a significant bonus vs light armor.
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