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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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rredtooth
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rredtooth
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I AM ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR MAYOR ![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/hx9rb9.png) PLATFORM I am running for mayor. Some of you may know that I never run for any position regardless of my role, the reasons being similar to the ones Ver listed. However, I am willing to invest enough energy and effort to lead the town to victory. I have participated in enough mafia games and have developed an adequate understanding of the game. My play so far has demonstrated that I am capable of the high level thinking required for mayor of the town. Also, I am a Decision Science major at Carnegie Mellon. I play mafia for a living. THE OTHER CANDIDATES All of the other veterans running thus far (Ace, BC, L) have too much suspicion surrounding them to be good mayor candidates. Some of the other candidates are either jokes (Chezinu, MasterDana, l10f), or unproven so far in the game (meeple, DrH, citizen). Electing Ver after how the early portion of the elections played out earlier is very very dangerous. I stated earlier that we should not vote for Ver but refrained from explicitly laying out the reasons why. Now that he has outright declared his candidacy, I guess it's time to share my thought process. Quoting an earlier PM I sent to someone: 2/14 16:21 Ver has, knowingly or unknowingly, taken advantage of the opportunity and halfheartedly declared his candidacy. This is the exact position we wanted to avoid. Before I was planning on running for Mayor, I requested that he withdraw his candidacy but I think just explaining the reasons in public should be enough to show that electing him as mayor is unwise.logically it would make sense not to give Ver the "option" to step in and win the election. each mafia family will likely send out one mayor candidate and that makes elections hard enough. that's why we scrutinize the list of mayor candidates so thoroughly. if we give Ver the "option" of becoming mayor, he isn't scrutinized as much and when pressed on the idea that mafia families would push a member to candidacy he could say that he was "forced" into the position. or if a member of the same mafia family would be runner up in the votes then he could just step aside and use that fact later as defense. now were he to have outright declared candidacy in the first place i wouldn't have minded voting for him. actually i probably would have voted for him. but that thought process would have been much different. he seems like such an attractive candidate now because he's smart and wasn't involved in any of the mess. PRE-EMPTIVE DEFENSE Some may be suspicious of me due to my somewhat passionate defense of Ace. As stated before, I have a high degree of respect for Ace and did not want to kill him off due to what I perceived as clue analysis on red herrings. I also don't believe any of the veterans should be killed to "gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work" (quoted from [NyC]HoBbes). My late entry into mayoral race shouldn't be regarded with too much suspicion either. Nobody expected the mayor candidates to be caught up in so much shit. I wasn't voted for prior to my announcement so my argument against Ver's candidacy doesn't apply to me. LYNCH CANDIDATE If elected mayor, I plan on lynching Bill Murray. There are obvious reasons (noted by Chezinu in a previous post) why we should be suspicious of him but there is much more to gain from lynching BM. So far he has presented himself as either a bad mafia or an idiot townie. Of course there is a chance that he flips green when mayor lynched and we waste a lynch but we get rid of a player that has a history of being detrimental to the town and isn't too valuable an asset to the town if he is indeed green. However, in the case that he flips red, we are provided with a wealth of information via the list that he posted. So far Bill has yet to post a legitimate defense, choosing instead to make a string of five or so posts that amounts to a desperate strike back at those that accused him. This makes him highly suspicious in my book. I am planning on checking over his behavior in the last game he played but FUTURE PLANS To kill the mafia of course. We have to use our lynches to maximum efficiency and somehow get the DTs to broadcast their information without revealing their identity. Later on in the game, clue analysis should be more abundant than ever before because all players (mafia and town-aligned) benefit from the analysis. If Bill Murray flips red then the focus should immediately shift to the list he posted. The most notable oddity in the list was the absence of Ace despite the mountain of suspicion surrounding him. Please also remember that I was on the list. If anything, it would make sense that either both of us are on the list (a mafia defending a fellow mafia), neither of us are on the list (a townie defending a fellow townie), or Ace is on but I'm not (a mistaken townie risking his neck to defend a mafia). It doesn't make sense that I am on the list but Ace is not (a mafia defending a random townie). Please note that my attempt to lynch Bill Murray isn't out of anger towards him due to my name being on the list. So as of now I would place Ace in the same 'group' as Bill Murray. Though I fought hard to defend Ace thus far, he is far from exonerated and L's clue analysis is as solid as you can possibly get with only Day 1 clues. That means, depending on what color Bill flips, Ace becomes highly suspicious once more. Having said all that I feel that we should keep all the veterans alive as long as possible. They are capable of identifying mafia and (whether its through clue analysis or behavior analysis) call out individuals to lynch. Why is this beneficial for the town? Well as I stated earlier, town can't win if mafia takes out town first but at the same time a mafia family can't win unless they kill off the other mafia family. To identify and call out a mafia member in public would mean either the town or the opposing mafia family can kill that person off. Also, anyone who's been mafia before would know that killing off a veteran mafia member doesn't really get rid of their influence (due to reasons I don't want to state publicly). tl;dr You shouldn't vote for other mayor candidates due to various reasons. Vote for me. I am reasonable, logical, and have basic plans with more in the making. Most importantly, I am innocent. Thank you for your time. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
it has a newbie guide on it :D :D | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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Iaaan
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rredtooth
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On February 15 2010 06:54 Abenson wrote: be careful listening to that thing. games on mafiascum are very very very different from TL mafia games. especially one this big with two families and hell of a lot of clues.OMG Thanks L for posting the link to the mafia wiki it has a newbie guide on it :D :D basic ideas such as wine in front of me should still apply though. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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rredtooth
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realized i didn't finish one of the paragraphs in my explanation of Bill's lynch. i basically meant to say that until i find a better candidate Bill would be my lynch. | ||
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rredtooth
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meeple
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On February 15 2010 02:42 L wrote: So, the moment I went to sleep, my insomniac mind came back to the question that I think is the core of this game: What should the town do? And then I realized that its pretty obvious; The town needs to not die, and the town needs to have mafia killed. But how can you accomplish both while saving blues? I kinda wondered for a while, but then It became incredible obvious; Fully analyse each clueset. I think you're missing one part of the equation, L. I have to thank Ver for this: On February 14 2010 21:13 Ver wrote: So far this seems like a typical game. Normally mafia are either very active or take to the shadows and lurk. This game seems to be the latter, with a lot of town infighting and the mafia staying quiet and scheming. There's not much bandwagoning going on, just lots of confusion and various discussion of approaches etc. This isn't the kind of scenario where mafia need to post much. They just want to sit back and avoid getting noticed. Look at the other side of the coin: What should the mafia families do? Recently, there was a game in which DoctorHelvetica put on a pretty good performance as a Godfather pretending to be an active Town member. Now, ask yourselves this: would the mafia want to do such a thing in this game? No. In a standard game, mafia loses if the Town lynches them properly, so they have to try to get townies to lynch each other. In this game, Town lynches have got to be the last thing on a mafia family's mind. The real danger to them is in the other mafia family's KP, so it's really a no-brainer to try to get under the radar and have their counterparts waste as many hits on Town targets as possible. Mafia members get so little benefit from misdirecting the Town on that one lynch they have, and it's so much effort to even get the Town to follow your lead, that it's just not worth it. Let the Town play its own little game- maybe they'll lynch a Gambino, maybe they'll lynch a Sumiyoshi, maybe they'll lynch a Town member. Who cares? Participating actively won't particularly help mafia members unearth the identities of their real targets, and will definitely make themselves appear on the radar for the rival family. Best-case scenario, enemy family members are among the high-profile posters and you can take some out. Worst-case scenario, they're also lurking, in which case both mafia families will kill people randomly and a lot of Town members get killed. So yeah, this goes for the rest of the Town as well as for both mafia families lurking around: You want to find tasty mafia targets to kill? Take a good, long look at those who are inactive / making short, inane posts. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
I am the DT If you haven’t figured it out by now I am the DT So medics protect me. Mafia you have a decision now… You can try and kill the opposing mafia team or you can try and waste hits on me. Oh and with medics it will take more than 1 hit from each time. Oh and another problem what if I’m not the DT? Who would believe Chezinu anyways? Oh and what Zato-1 said! Beat that! + Show Spoiler + I'm so dead out of spite...but if they try to kill me, they only hurt themselves... So here is your hit list: Clue based: Empyrean 789 Mystlord Ace + Show Spoiler + clue analysis Two horsemen: Clacked horseman – watched and laughed Mirror horseman - tried to kill dreamflower with a spear. Arson: Used oil and a torch to kill Dreamflower Killer from above: Ripped incog’s head off and laughed. Blue fire killer: The blue fire grew brighter and brigher on the victim then boom!!! Blue light went everywhere. Behavior based: Bill Murray Ver | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 15 2010 07:12 Zato-1 wrote: I think you're missing one part of the equation, L. I have to thank Ver for this: Look at the other side of the coin: What should the mafia families do? Recently, there was a game in which DoctorHelvetica put on a pretty good performance as a Godfather pretending to be an active Town member. Now, ask yourselves this: would the mafia want to do such a thing in this game? No. In a standard game, mafia loses if the Town lynches them properly, so they have to try to get townies to lynch each other. In this game, Town lynches have got to be the last thing on a mafia family's mind. The real danger to them is in the other mafia family's KP, so it's really a no-brainer to try to get under the radar and have their counterparts waste as many hits on Town targets as possible. Mafia members get so little benefit from misdirecting the Town on that one lynch they have, and it's so much effort to even get the Town to follow your lead, that it's just not worth it. Let the Town play its own little game- maybe they'll lynch a Gambino, maybe they'll lynch a Sumiyoshi, maybe they'll lynch a Town member. Who cares? Participating actively won't particularly help mafia members unearth the identities of their real targets, and will definitely make themselves appear on the radar for the rival family. Best-case scenario, enemy family members are among the high-profile posters and you can take some out. Worst-case scenario, they're also lurking, in which case both mafia families will kill people randomly and a lot of Town members get killed. So yeah, this goes for the rest of the Town as well as for both mafia families lurking around: You want to find tasty mafia targets to kill? Take a good, long look at those who are inactive / making short, inane posts. Mystlord was godfather, not me ;o I agree. The mafia will be hiding in the drama giving forth weak opinions. By agreeing with active townies, saying things that have already been said, it's easy to seem active without actually contributing anything. I'm guilty of this but that's only because I was very busy yesterday. I have a big post coming up. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
You think I'm a joke... So you don't want the DT to post something like this? [spoiler] I am the DT If you haven’t figured it out by now I am the DT So medics protect me. Mafia you have a decision now… You can try and kill the opposing mafia team or you can try and waste hits on me. Oh and with medics it will take more than 1 hit from each time. Oh and another problem what if I’m not the DT? Who would believe Chezinu anyways? Oh and what Zato-1 said! Beat that! + Show Spoiler + I'm so dead out of spite...but if they try to kill me, they only hurt themselves... So here is your hit list: Clue based: Empyrean 789 Mystlord Ace + Show Spoiler + clue analysis Two horsemen: Clacked horseman – watched and laughed Mirror horseman - tried to kill dreamflower with a spear. Arson: Used oil and a torch to kill Dreamflower Killer from above: Ripped incog’s head off and laughed. Blue fire killer: The blue fire grew brighter and brigher on the victim then boom!!! Blue light went everywhere. I'm starting to see a trend. I vote someone. No one else votes for that peerson. I switch my vote. Immediately after that person runs. I like you redtooth. I think finally for once we are on the same team. I'm not liking Ver this game... His first post was good, but the last one... I don't get it... Ver is making me want to side with L of all people and Ace already gave up - it seems he knows that he is dead already -- so by me putting his name in red isn't that bad right? right Ace? | ||
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Chezinu
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rredtooth
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
But that said, I'm not sure who would be a better person to lynch. And I like your post, but do you have a longer term plan? How do you want to use the Blue roles? | ||
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Zato-1
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