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I'm hoping Jimtudor wasn't stupid enough to PM his Bodyguard role to either JeeJee or Shikyo (other BG don't you be stupid either); my guess is the mafia just wanted to get rid of him based on his day 1 posts and they got lucky when he flipped blue. Seems curious to me that they would go after him so quickly if we were going to check up on him anyway, but then he was on the medic lists for a reason.
Only two kills is excellent though regardless.
I don't have the time to look through the posts too much right now, but I'll probably try my hand at clue analysis when I can since we don't have much behavior to go on from half the town and we need to start the mafia bleeding ASAP.
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Also, since there are so many inactives/people who haven't contributed much, my hunch is that most of the mafia are hiding amongst those players.
If you're green or blue and have been quiet so far I suggest you start speaking up. Nothing to be nervous about as long as you have nothing to hide
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Why the back of Softer's neck?? Hmmm...
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oh man, they got jimtudor. He was blue too. T_T
Anyways, I've noticed that one of them has a sneaking/silent motif. I think this could be a double meaning. Either its related to a player's profile, or how he acts during the game. Given that we are still getting a fair amount of posts, there are still many keeping silent.
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On May 21 2009 11:52 So no fek wrote:Wow, Jimtudor got bodyguard. So we know he isn't mafia. Now the real question is: Was it someone trying to attack someone in office, or get rid of Jimtudor? Either way it makes me think about who's in office. We've all come to the general consensus that mafia is likely either in office, or ran for office. Killing one of the people that ran for office doesn't seem like something that would benefit them, as it would just bring more suspicion onto them. On the other hand, if mafia isn't in office, then they see the people there as a threat, and thus are going through bodyguards for that entire purpose. Of course, killing off your own bodyguards as mafia would be stupid, but it could all just be to throw us off.
You bring up some pretty good points.
Let's review out all the likely scenarios: a) Jim revealed his role to mafia - Mafia would get rid of him due to the fact that he is a contributing player, and the suspicion cast on him early would probably mean the medics won't be protecting him tonight
b) Jim revealed his role to the Sheriff/Mayor, and one/or both are mafia. - Now if either JeeJee or Shikyo decided to kill Jim off, I believe that wouldn't be a wise move because bodyguards protect them from potential future vigi hits. I think a mafia "elected" would prefer to have his bodyguards, of course there is the possibility of the mayor trying to get rid of the Sheriff or vice versa. This scenario is pretty farfetch'd in my opinion.
c) Jim never revealed his role to anyone, he was just a target from get the get go since he was a good contributer. - I think this is the most likely scenario. It's obvious that the town has been suspicious of Jim up until this point, and a lot of us were arguing whether to put him on the medic list or not. Because of the suspicion the medics probably weren't going to cover him tonight which lead to his death.
We only had two deaths tonight, softer and Jimtudor. Obviously there are only two possible scenarios:
a) Stacked hits on either softer or Jim. - After some thought I find it hard to believe that either of them took 2 hits. Softer wasn't really contributing too too much to deserve 2 hits - in fact he wasn't even on any medic lists afaik. For Jim I want to reiterate that there was already suspicion cast on him, so if mafia were smart they'd probably assume that Jim was not likely to be protected, thus only needing one hit. Of course scenario a) cannot be fully ruled out because we don't know how the mafia valued Jimtudor as a contributer.
b) Someone got saved. - I think this is more likely, and in this case, I believe someone on the medic list got saved tonight.
I'll true to whip up some clue analysis later.
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I've got a lot to add here, bear with me.
his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground - I know he was on a few medic lists, but teks has a picture of a duck "flying" through the air with a rope (which could be used to whip someone). This isn't the first potential clue we've linked to teks, we've also had Zerg (creep), Norway (Erlend Loe). I personally don't think he's a lynch suspect yet, but we should keep an eye on him.
Regarding the sneaking/silent motif - we're getting more signs pointing to Jayme if it's behavioral. Also cats creep. That also puts the Zerg (creep) and the Crepuscular (Cat in profile pick) pointing to him. Also, note that jimtudor said "I wonder who could it be at this hour" signifying it was early, as he was getting ready. Cats are up early. Either that, or with softer it said it was dark, also "cat" hours. Also, Jayme means "He who supplants". Supplant = trip up/cause to stumble.
I did some more background on clazziquai. His name is a Korean indie fusion band, which doesn't help us tonight really (except the creeping theme), but that would tie into the initial "sounding a horn that would not be heard in time." clue and he had the "slumping" clue pointed at him too (#1 Sea.Really fan in sig).
Shikyo got a bit of attention in that he had had tudor on his medic list under some scrutiny, but that's about it.
Some small things I noted (probably nothing but I'm wired on caffeine right now): whip - wurm's sig "I know where my towel is" (Locker room antics, whip with a towel). creeping - so no fek's sig "I lurk tl.net" lurk/hidden etc running - sugiuramidor's sig - "Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life." running night - Ra.Xor.2's sig - Mentions a lot about light and dark, being afraid of light (lurking/mafia afraid to post in day?)
Back of the neck still is haunting me for some reason...
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@zeks: c) Our 1 Veteran got hit
Other possibility, looks about as likely as a save to me.
Do we want the potential player who took the third hit (assuming there was a save or the Vet got hit) to speak up?
Will look around for clues before I go to bed, I promise. I just had to watch the other game play out for a bit though.
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Clarification of above post:
"His name is a Korean indie fusion band, which doesn't help us tonight really (except the creeping theme)" - meaning he was just laying low so far.
sorry guys
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I agree with vx70GTOJudgexv. Those mentioned clues + Behavior analysis. He didnt really defend himself against the guys who accused him prior to day2. I was not convinced before but I am convinced that there is a high chance he is mafia now.
My convincing factor:
"his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground"
Mentioned already, Jayme has a cat in his/her profile. Remember catwoman?
+ Show Spoiler + She had a whip.
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Yeah Im voting to lynch Jayme unless something better comes up. Also, we need to discuss if we are gonna use double lynch for day 3 or not. Imo, yes. Using it after Day3 is wasting too much time. We need as much kills as possible (of course through thorough clue analysis).
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edit: by "We need as much kills as possible" I mean "We need as many dead mafia as possible".
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I'm for Jayme and I'm also for using the double lynch on Day 3. We have 2. They can be used on consecutive days. however, the math for this game's timetable turned out to be like, 5 days. We don't want to hold on to it too long, because even with only 2 out of 3 going down tonight, we didn't do anything yesterday to lessen mafia KP. We lost one blue and two greens so far, we need to start making good decisions and the first will be a double lynch tomorrow.
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the math meaning worst case scenario, which we're heading down right now.
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I went through both days posts. Forgive me if I repeat phrases here from day 1; I only skimmed the analysis people had already done.
From day 1:
red feathers/gray cardinal likely a reference to Pyrrhuloxia himself since a Pyrrhuloxia is a type of cardinal and the picture on Wikipedia fits
eerily crepuscular Already been mentioned as a likely clue.
Possible links: chaoser--Pokemon quote, some Pokemon are crepuscular (and you might call ninjas crepuscular as well)
Pawsome--empty profile, some crepuscular animals have paws
Jayme--fucking huge cat picture
teks (weak) -- Darkwing Duck pic at night
sixth [floor ledge] Possibly not a clue.
Only link I can find is clazziquai, and that's simply him being #6 on the list of players.
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. [bAs he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow. [/b] Suggesting something very fast
Possible links:
chaoser--ninja reference in his profile (sneaking across a whole archery range? maybe a ninja could do it)
sugiuramidor--"run and run" in profile
teks (weak) -- Darkwing Duck
JeeJee--Franz Stampfl (athletics connection)
If this is a clue I'm pinning it on chaoser above the rest.
the shattering windshield My question is how it shattered. It shattering inward is not that strange ... except that we're not given any hint of something hitting it from outside.
My first thought was to check icons for ghosts in particular (psychic powers?). No luck. Maybe links to bleeding to death? (Strange that LTT would bleed out so quickly too imo) Couldn't find those either.
I do have in my profile a quote about cars (did anyone catch this day 1?). I'm not red though :p
Possible links:
crate--the car
phelix (weak) -- "spray and pray"--possibly windshield shattered by a bullet? Not likely correct.
Day 2:
Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
Walking through the park in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life.
love for his town in his heart
Possible links:
iLoveKTF -- possibly too easy to link
Ra.Xor.2 -- google the quote in his profile, find the book it's from: A Return to Love
flashy tie
Possible links:
clazziquai (somewhat weak)--google his name, go to images. You do get a pic of a guy with a tie. Also the band has an album called "Color Your Soul" and could be color = flashy
swiftly jammed a metal bar
Might be a red herring. Can't find any links
hid in the bushes
Possible links:
chaoser (weak) -- quote from Rekrul in his profile, and of course Rekrul => Lurker
bolt toward the park's exit Key here is the use of the word "bolt"
Possible links:
bwdero -- look at that picture!
Might not be a clue though
whipped forcefully in the back
Possible links:
wurm (weak) -- towel ... but I don't think "whipped forcefully" matches with a towel too well
stomps to the back of the neck
Possible links:
epicdoom -- neck = sexy?
I have tried here to link clues to people instead of people to clues. I used iLoveKTF's topic for profiles since it's so much easier that way.
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I am not going to comment on who I think we should vote out just yet.... Inactivity is, like I said, a big red flag for me right now.
Also I apologize for my veritable eyesore of a post above.
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Since the town is heading towards the worst case scenario, we have to use the double lynches effectively in order to get rid of the mafia. I'm all in support of lynching Jayme, unless he can defend himself. The clues are pretty strong against teks too, as vx70GTOJudgexv has pointed out, with 3 things that has hinted towards him.
Possibility of a Veteran being hit is unlikely, since Pyrr would post who would got hit. Therefore, the mafia got a person who was saved by the medic.
As for the salesman with the flashy tie, this could mean many things, such as color, or other allusions. The salesman could also be in reference to personality of one of the townspeople, as an outgoing person who's unafraid to speak their thoughts.
Crate, I did write about you with the car reference, but I deemed it too weak to be considered.
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On May 21 2009 14:57 Phelix wrote: Possibility of a Veteran being hit is unlikely, since Pyrr would post who would got hit. Where do you pull this from? The rules do not say that at all. The veteran himself would be notified but I don't think there would be a public announcement of the hit.
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My mistake, I didn't read the rules clearly enough.
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On May 21 2009 15:01 crate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 14:57 Phelix wrote: Possibility of a Veteran being hit is unlikely, since Pyrr would post who would got hit. Where do you pull this from? The rules do not say that at all. The veteran himself would be notified but I don't think there would be a public announcement of the hit.
This. It's never said that it's announced, and from what I've seen, I don't think I've seen it announced either.
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